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[Atlantis]

That's not good news if also KE will stop flying temporary. It's Always the a prediction of something worse.

They could win indeed an award but full freight is not doing well for a couple of years now. It's good that the integrators are doing so well.

Saudi Arabian Cargo was downsizing at BRU and is doing well on other segments. So there is something wrong.

F.e. cargo at AMS is doing again much better then before.

Is our market not good enough? Are we too specific as we have mostly Far East carriers at Brucargo.

But what about the rumor that Saudi Arabian would replace all cargo flights from FRA to BRU?

[BRU]

AMS is doing good because they already had an overall strategy 20 years ago. They are currently almost the only airport groing with freighters. Belly is becoming more and more important. Freight today is forwarders and capacity, doesn't matter if it is belly, freighter or integrator. With capacity you can attract forwarders and logistical service providers. They are key today and in the future.

BRU is not having enough capacity to Asia. Asiana, SQ are flying most flights from US to BRU onwards to Asia. So nothing from Asia. After curfew, BRU lost a lot of traffic and suffered a lot. For the first time they are growing again, several months in a row. So i think things are changing again, seen the forwarder base still present in BRU.

If tomorrow KLM stops freighters, AMS will also have a problem. But if they can keep the forwarders and thus the volumes, they will get new customers. Finally, BRU is focussing on the same. One can not expect that a new strategy pays off the day after...

[Squelsh]

One look at the Border Inspection Post at brucargo speaks volumes.

Look at the zoo, they have 5 stables or something, while SV sometimes has 30 or more horses to be loaded, so they put the full-blood multimillion dollar animals in the outbuilding overnight.. If you want I can post pictures 'before' and 'after' their expensive but crap-service visit at the Brussels cargo zoo.

Go to the old flightcare building and pickup your freight as end-consignee, the wooden fritkot where you have to present yourself is full of graffiti, NEVER cleaned, smells, chewing gum everywhere, dirt everywhere, the whole thing is about to collapse.... I've seen better while doing charters in central Africa... So this is where some END-USERS have to go and wait for hours for one collo (if theyre lucky and its found).

If all is so well-managed, why do I EVERY WEEK get talked to by people who ask directions to a building, why aren't there any PLANS of brucargo like villages/cities place on their market squares.. Hey, google brucargo plan, and you'll get maps that don't even have the latest buildings DHL/st Jude on them, builings there for over a year now..

Maybe we won because the VAL service is so good, except once every 10 years gets a hold-up on tarmac, heist worth hunderds millions of Euros?

Also, I really like the new restobel at Building 706. Great services for the truckers and the 24/7 operations.

Talk to enough people on the ground DOING the work itself on the brucargo facilities and they'll have a good laugh if you mention the award.

Maybe it's because WFS who got grewx alot recently, and with the freight spread over their 3 buildings are handling the traffic real smooth..

Or is it because Aviapartner is booming since SV left? Only a matter of time now, heard they haven't even got the cashflow for paying out personel in worst-case scenario. No worries there, no layoffs or pre-retirments and depressions at all, right?

At flightcare, all is happy too, since they lost SN, no people fired, no pre-retirements, no depressions, only happy faces

Yes, cargo is picking up,true, but sorry to bust the bubble, but best cargo airport of the world? who the fck are you kidding? Just look at the 30yr old equipment... Ow yes, new projects and buildings? that's in the future, maybe we'll get a second reward then?

[BRU]

Wow squelsh, pretty negative idea you have. Will not try to convince you or change your mind, but have you ever seen other cargo areas at airports ? Do you understand difference in responsabilities airport and private companies working at the airport ? I can google pictures from things 50 years back ! Welcome to internet. Your comment only shows that there are at least new buildings at the airport. Look at procedures: you will not find an airport that makes it easier to go with trucks airside for outside cargo. No cargo diversion last 2 years due to weather, etc etc. Is all perfect ?? No, will still take them many years to further improve. But look at the criteria of the award. And they got the votes. Was Anderlecht the best football team last year ? Some say yes, some say no. But they are champion.

[BRU]

Inforwarding: http://inforwarding.oagcargo.com/index/display/id/55512

LAC will start weekly freighter operation with B747F between FIH - DKR - BRU - FIH - LAD - FBM as of July 5th. Aircraft used is a Thai B747-400BCF.

[flightlover]

Wow squelsh, pretty negative idea you have. Will not try to convince you or change your mind, but have you ever seen other cargo areas at airports ? Do you understand difference in responsabilities airport and private companies working at the airport ? I can google pictures from things 50 years back ! Welcome to internet. Your comment only shows that there are at least new buildings at the airport. Look at procedures: you will not find an airport that makes it easier to go with trucks airside for outside cargo. No cargo diversion last 2 years due to weather, etc etc. Is all perfect ?? No, will still take them many years to further improve. But look at the criteria of the award. And they got the votes. Was Anderlecht the best football team last year ? Some say yes, some say no. But they are champion.

No cargo diversions might be right. And they may care for the planes, I surely do hope so. But they are forgetting the workers more often than once.

When it snows you'll have a tough time doing a safe turnaround on apron. Un-cleared snow compacted by heavy machines / freight makes a good skate ring.
If it does get cleared you are left with walls of snow you'll have to plough through getting stuck more often than once.

For more normal conditions you can enjoy being searched every time when going on tarmac. Worst case this is over 20 times a day.
Freight has to go into a lock to get it on tarmac Adding at least 20 min to get the freight in- or outside. if you do not want to go through security every time. which would cost even more time.
These locks are oddly shaped and to small to hold all the freight of a fully laden B747-8F.

So land side might be being developed with a vision. But they are creating an airport area where it is better to be an off-line customer than an on-line one. And I thought it was an airport....

[Atlantis]

Maybe it's time to change the strategy too.

Focus is too much on the Far East and see what happend. We lost some of them already.

Forget about South-America, we don't have a good business connection with it to have weekly flights. Look at Singapore Cargo. It was only for a short while.

Finnair Cargo was a very good move to bring their European cargo hub to Brussels. Look at the business they generate and it's indeed a new niche market.

But the new markets are huge like Istanbul, Turkish Airlines Cargo, and Doha, Qatar Cargo. Those are the markets or the transit markets that we should think about it too.

The same like the African market. This is a huge one. And now, slowly, it finds it's way to BRU too.

So let us hope for the future but not to think too much about the Asians alone

[Squelsh]

Wow squelsh, pretty negative idea you have. Will not try to convince you or change your mind, but have you ever seen other cargo areas at airports ? Do you understand difference in responsabilities airport and private companies working at the airport ? I can google pictures from things 50 years back ! Welcome to internet. Your comment only shows that there are at least new buildings at the airport. Look at procedures: you will not find an airport that makes it easier to go with trucks airside for outside cargo. No cargo diversion last 2 years due to weather, etc etc. Is all perfect ?? No, will still take them many years to further improve. But look at the criteria of the award. And they got the votes. Was Anderlecht the best football team last year ? Some say yes, some say no. But they are champion.

You have very valid points, and indeed maybe I am negative, but I can only say that honestly what I see around me at brucargo is pretty depressing, same old same old, and -for me- the devil is always in the details. Just the other week I had to be at the B706 at an airline's office, a newly renovated floor. I had a vision, and it became reality, everywhere A4 copies sticky-taped with arrows pointing at an agency/interim/broker whatever.. This is unacceptable after so many months, where's the janitor, who's managing this building? OK, this is not a hotel, but this has to be noticed one time and rectified. no-one notices, nobody cares. But like I said, details...

And for cargo airport award, I am sure, 110%, that there were better candidates than BRU. Shame you compare this kind of award and the way it is awarded with a beautiful game as football. Not in the same ballpark, not the same ballgame

[Kapitein]

Qatar Airways Cargo will start a 4 weekly service DOH - EBB/NBO - BRU with A330-200F

[Atlantis]

That's great news and a boost for full freight at Brucargo.
Let's see what Emirates will do after a full year of flying at Brussels Airport

[LJ]

Qatar Airways Cargo will start a 4 weekly service DOH - EBB/NBO - BRU with A330-200F

Will they move their NBO/EBB - Europe ops to BRU (from LGG/AMS) or are these additional flights? AFAIK both AMS and LGG have/had the DOH-NBO/EBB-Europe runs and it seems strange to operate this run from 2 airports.

[Boeing767copilot]

Brussels Airport Poised to Become World’s First CEIV Pharma Certified Community

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[Atlantis]

QR Cargo transfers cargo from LGG to BRU. As also previous mentioned already in this topic.

http://www.cargoforwarder.eu/2014/09/08 ... gg-to-bru/

Source: Cargoforwarder

[Acid-drop]

That's too bad since LGG has done a lot recently for biologisitics, see http://www.biologeurope.com
I really wonder what's the real reason this time ... good lobbying probably.
Airlines are really going in 2 directions with those 2 airports

[RoMax]

That's too bad since LGG has done a lot recently for biologisitics, see http://www.biologeurope.com
I really wonder what's the real reason this time ... good lobbying probably.
Airlines are really going in 2 directions with those 2 airports

It's not like BRU is not taking leading steps in this sector:
http://www.aircargonews.net/news/single ... no_cache=1

Of course lobbying is important, but don't expect QR Cargo to move its already well developed operations at LGG to BRU, just because BRU was more persuasive in their lobbying. Rather QR Cargo will experience that their clients would benefit more from operations at BRU (and with their pax flights, they already operate cargo business at BRU).

[Acid-drop]

could well be.
Belly cargo is the main diff between the 2 airports.

[Acid-drop]

some sources confirm it's all about belly cargo.

[pijaleu]

As from the beginning of November KE will return to BRU weekly during the weekend (probably on Saturday) with B74F.

Furtheron, I heared rumours about 2 new Cargo companies planning to come to BRU, but as it are just rumours I can't give any names.
Maybe someone of you has more info about this? I know one company would want to start early February.

Pijaleu

[StijnBRU]

new slots filed for cargo movements as from NW14

OZ extra flight, from 3 to 4
KE is coming back D7 with 747F
ET filed slots for D1-D4-D7
QR will increase there flights to 7 weekly, and in JAN15 to 10 weekly
SQ add flight on D1

[actarus]

of bitter rumor of one of the two cargo airline Cargolux is going to stop deservire Amsterdan. I know it has no more.