Are noise complainers "fussy" ?

[teddybAIR]

No, I'm rather the person who would like to discuss based on facts and have some general idea about the location in order to measure objective facts such as frequency of occurence and noise levels in dB's...it'sall too easy to blame a sleeping disorder on an airport 21km away. I have the exact Same airport at less than 1 km from my home in the direct path of the busiest runway. Curiously enough I don'tcomplain nor do I have a sleeping problem. Now that I come to thinking of it, my 3 year old Son also sleeps likean angle...

[cnc]

the wind direction is the most important factor when talking about noise from take-off and taxi
still, the airport is there and will stay there!
if you live close to a vulcano you also know there's a chance you'll get covered in vulcano dust some day

[b-west]

I wonder what the noise complainers said about all the honking cars last night...

[Stij]

I wonder what the noise complainers said about all the honking cars last night...

Right! As if we won the tournament!

Cheers,

Stij

[regi]

so nobody steps on the train of positive action?

[b-west]

Double or triple glazed windows, if necessary with subsidies?

Personally I just use ear plugs, works like a charm.

[teddybAIR]

Regi, please stop pretending you are the only one with a positieve attitude. I am thinking of Belgian airlines investing in aircraft such as e190's and b787's which have a very low noise footprint, entire governments dedicated to spreading the nuissance, airports implementing night curfews in Total contradiction with their economical business case and worldwide airlines adopting los drag/ los noise approaches and many more initiatives.

Sorry to burst a bubble, but your brother and their children are part of a community that has democratically decided that the benefits of the airport outweigh the costs. Pressure groups are simply a mediocre attempt to put aside the very foundation of our community: democracy! You are free to have your opinion, but of you want to realise,changes: first assemble a majority in favour of your ideas please.

[regi]

It seems that so many members have long toes and cannot step into a normal conversation.
Each time again it is " well yeah, you may complain but... blablabla" And that blablabla is than the explanation why I do not have the right to complain. BTW, it is not me who complains

Dear members, you seem to miss the point: we have ended in a sytem which is accepted to be democratical. ( petitions, action groups, well described regulations and so on )
I don't call that democratic, it is just an accepted procedure.

I look at the issue of noise reduction from a completely different angle: pro active initiative.
Long range shot: it would be marvellous to reduce airport related noise so much that the complainers miss the take off sequence.
Imagine this scenario: an action group claims money because an airline took off too late 1 time. The answer " Oh, no problem, but strange that you missed the 50 flights we had between 1 and 4 o'clock - at night "
Wishfull thinking? If we see how much civil aviation has develloped, I am sure that much more can be done.

[sn26567]

The future may indeed be in silent aeroplanes. Having seen and heard the Solar Impulse from nearby and knowing that Airbus has funded a prototype of electric aircraft, I know that noiseless aeroplanes are indeed no longer creations of one's imagination. But the way is still long before commercial airliners will be propelled by those silent technologies.

[teddybAIR]

Hi Regi, Nice vision on the future, but I'm afraid that as long as aviation has some inconveniences, some people Will feel compelled to complain, but so what? Of it's not the noise, it will be the emitions, or the danger of overflying aircraft. Some people simply have the urge to complain about anything.

[teddybAIR]

For those who were asking positive action: Continuous Descent Ops at BRU as of 26JUN.

[regi]

Hi Regi, Nice vision on the future, but I'm afraid that as long as aviation has some inconveniences, some people Will feel compelled to complain, but so what? Of it's not the noise, it will be the emitions, or the danger of overflying aircraft. Some people simply have the urge to complain about anything.

The difference with the past is that everything is now regulated. Even petitions.
All those against everything encounter now the impossebility to complain because of regulations, which were implemented because of previous "compulsory complainers".

I hope that the aviation industry uses these regulations , as a framework to work in.
It would be short sighted if aviation uses the regulations to work to a stand still balance.

[Stij]

THE PERFECT NIMBY!!!

http://www.demorgen.be/dm/nl/5397/Milie ... werk.dhtml

The article reports that the manager of Greenpeace commutes between Luxembourg and Amsterdam... by plane!!!
He reminds of the president of Willoo boarding his son's plane at Ostend airport!
A bunch of hypocrites: Everybody should fly less to reduce noise and pollution... but me, because I need it!

In English:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthn ... -work.html

Cheers,

Stij

[regi]

maybe he paid ecological miles

[Inquirer]

Reality of today is that people HAVE to fly for work on an almost daily basis when they want to get something done in a multinational, whether they like to or not. Greenpeace is no exception to this rule.

[Stij]

Reality of today is that people HAVE to fly for work on an almost daily basis when they want to get something done in a multinational, whether they like to or not. Greenpeace is no exception to this rule.

Could be, but then they should sh*t th* f*ck *p about it! If we take a 0:55 flight we're evil polluters, and when they do it, it's necessary.

Cheers,

Stij

[teddybAIR]

Could be, but then they should sh*t th* f*ck *p about it! If we take a 0:55 flight we're evil polluters, and when they do it, it's necessary.

Couldn't agree more: if you can't practise it, don't preach it!

[regi]

The next hype will be passengers who meassure the noise inside the cabin during flight and make an official complaint that they couldn't sleep because of the noise.