Ryanair to close CRL Charleroi - STN London Stansted

Captain · Post by **Captain** » 26 Feb 2004, 16:27

This might be the beginning of Ryanair having to close down routes not only in Charleroi but in another airports accross the EU.

The press has recently said that Ryanair might even pull out of all it's destinations in France!

Captain

Captain · Post by **Captain** » 26 Feb 2004, 16:41

Just went on the Ryanair site and entered a date after April 29 and this is what you get:

"Sorry, there are no available flights going out
This may be because:

- The flight you have chosen is full
- The travel dates requested are for our next schedule period
and the fares/seats are not loaded for this date as yet
- There may not be a flight scheduled for this date"

Flying-Polux · Post by **Flying-Polux** » 26 Feb 2004, 16:53

Ryanair's Charleroi-Stansted route never really affected the BRU-LON market.............

Flying_Tuur · Post by **Flying_Tuur** » 26 Feb 2004, 16:55

About time easyJet moves in on Brussels...
Ryanair is slowly moving out of CRL, VEX is reducing its fleet... Looks like a great timing.

Flying-Polux · Post by **Flying-Polux** » 26 Feb 2004, 17:02

Yep if U2 enters this market lots of things are going to change !!!!!! 8)

Captain · Post by **Captain** » 26 Feb 2004, 17:13

Would love to see EasyJet operate out of BRU. Their service is far superior than Ryanair's (even though they are a no-frill airline) and they do fly from more major/accesible airports.

Captain

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 26 Feb 2004, 18:20

Honnestly I wonder what the impact for SN and VEX would be when U2 would start flying from BRU.

Several months ago, a rumour was going on that U2 was interested to buy VEX.

They haven't done so, so I wonder whether they still consider BRU or not. There is certainly a low cost market over here!

Frederic

JetB · Post by **JetB** » 26 Feb 2004, 23:47

Without subsidies there is just no market for Ryanair flights form Chaleroi to Stansted, thats nothing bad and nothing sad, thats just the way it is.

And who was saying a few weeks ago that paying back a few mil would not effect a company with so much money in cash ? Ha ha.....

Bye bye Ryanair, Stockholm, Shannon are next.....

Dude320 · Post by **Dude320** » 26 Feb 2004, 23:47

Yeah, i wonder if they will really stop this route or they just want to push
towards the Walloon Government to stay with the low fees ?

Maybe it is just an act.

Maybe they stay ?

8 times /day with B737 CRL-STN ???
so many pax ??
360.000 / year ??

Just stop due to increase of 6 to 8 € / ticket ??

Strange decision.

We will see.

TCW-staff

OO-SBZ · Post by **OO-SBZ** » 27 Feb 2004, 00:52

Hopefully an other carrier will launch the same route... maybe from Brussels (Brussels-Brussels not Brussels-South) by VEX / EasyJet ?

Or even from Brussels-South... East-European carriers (Wizz, Air Polonia, etc.) could jump in that market and replace Ryanair

This could teach Ryanair a lesson!

Regards

BeN

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 27 Feb 2004, 01:32

BobClaes wrote:Without subsidies there is just no market for Ryanair flights form Chaleroi to Stansted, thats nothing bad and nothing sad, thats just the way it is.

The market disappears because of a 6 euro increase in fares?
That's a logical conclusion

It's just FR treatening the Walloon Governement... 25 euros or 35 euros, it's still cheap and people will still fly.
Logical would be to reduce operations, maybe a couple flights less...

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 27 Feb 2004, 02:17

Hope Eurostar will offer at last cheaper fares, because their return 80€ promotion from December didn't get a sequence while Ryanair is offering these kind of fares all year round.

TWA

Post by **sn26567** » 27 Feb 2004, 11:07

Michael O'Leary reacted with his instinct, not his brain. He wanted to teach the European Commission a lesson.

Even without increasing fares, the route would have remained profitable. Ryanair is the most profitable airline in the world. But probably CRL-STN was less profitable than other routes, on which the aircraft can now be re-deployed, because of the competition from SN, VG, BA and Eurostar.

Hence, the EU ruling was a golden excuse to withdraw from that route. Ryanair does not like to be seen as a loser, and the EU gave thyem the way to withdraw as a winner...

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 27 Feb 2004, 20:07

Exactly André.
For me Ryanair is just trying to show everybody that due to the EU, they won't be able to fly cheap anymore. Which is of course totally false.

They just don't want to loose and that's it?. Shame on you Ryanair

And BTW It's not because of those few millions they have to pay back, that the seat prize would need to increase by 6€. Fr has enough cashflow to pay it back, and could compensate by maybe increasing the fares very slightly that's all.

Ciao
Chris
8)

A318 · Post by **A318** » 01 Mar 2004, 14:06

Rotterdam - Stansted can be done with Basiqair from Rotterdam, and this is also very reachable for Belgium people living on the border in the southwest of Holland. I am thinking about the Antwerp/Brussels area which is between 45 minutes and 1 hour and 15 minutes driving to Rotterdam.
Also the flights from Ryanair, Eindhoven-Stansted still continue and give even a better airport for the people living in Belgium, especially for the ones that live in the Turnhout area.

Greetz,

Erwin

danieln · Post by **danieln** » 01 Mar 2004, 15:02

I am sure the only reason Ryanair is shutting down its London-Charleroi service is because the route is simply not profitable. The planes might have been full, but the average fare on the route was on my impression always very low.

JetB · Post by **JetB** » 01 Mar 2004, 16:26

I noticed a few changes on Ryanairs home page.

For now you can still book London Stansted - Brussels Chaleroi, but Brussels isn't on the destination list anymore from Stansted.

And also take a look at the destinations served from Shannon !, Brussels is no longer on there. You can still book Brussels from Shannon, but for how long ?.

In the beginning of this topic I stated that Shannon and Stockholm will disappear soon...... Who knows ?

danieln · Post by **danieln** » 01 Mar 2004, 16:30

Bob, Shannon is known to increase landing rights after a certain route is more than x years old (I don't exactly know how long). This is also the reason why Ryanair have cut their Hahn-Shannon services from 7 to 1 per week.

And about Skavsta: I wonder how this route can ever be profitable with only one rotation per day...

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 01 Mar 2004, 16:40

danieln wrote:Bob, Shannon is known to increase landing rights after a certain route is more than x years old (I don't exactly know how long). This is also the reason why Ryanair have cut their Hahn-Shannon services from 7 to 1 per week.

This is actually very normal, and it is also a problem that starts to cause big problems for Ryanair: a lot of routes were started profitable due to the big fees they got for opening a new route.

Once a route is established, those fees dissapear. With London becoming more and more congested, I wonder if Ryanair will be able to negotiate the same deal with for example STN!

While I have confidence in EZY, I have the impression that FR is a bubble that starts to burst slowly...

Frederic

A318 · Post by **A318** » 02 Mar 2004, 12:33

My enthusiasm I had before about Ryanair, is getting less and less by the day.
I know now already I will not make the CRL drive anymore since I don't want to sit totally straight and want to close my blinds when I have sun in my eyes, O'Learly is taking these so basic standards away. I can be the same and take my flights from him away

@Bobclaes, I should have listended to you but since I am older and most of the time older people are wiser (or at least think they are) I didn't, see you in the next EZY flight to Londen

Greetz,

Erwin