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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
Due to wind restrictions and operational ATC reasons, Brussels Airport is currently operating in single runway operations on runway 01.
Use of single RWY 01 may continue in coming days, leading to possible delays for arrivals as well as departures.
Use of single RWY 01 may continue in coming days, leading to possible delays for arrivals as well as departures.
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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
Wind ??sn26567 wrote:Due to wind restrictions and operational ATC reasons, Brussels Airport is currently operating in single runway operations on runway 01.
Use of single RWY 01 may continue in coming days, leading to possible delays for arrivals as well as departures.
METAR: EBBR 101920Z 31005KT 4000 BR NSC 09/07 Q1027 TEMPO 2500 BR
long-TAF: EBBR 101828Z 1018/1124 01007KT CAVOK BECMG 1021/1023 3000 BR SCT003 BKN006 TEMPO 1021/1108 BKN003 BECMG 1110/1112 6000 NSW SCT006
What are the Operational ATC Reasons?
Thks
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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
operational ATC reason is that another word for work to the rule?
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No, it is not. It is a long story, but I'll keep it short: since the last update of the AIP (7/3 if I'm not mistaken) there are new SIDs for RWY 07R/L (aka 'Leuven rechtdoor'). However, not all controllers are yet properly trained for this. Normally this should take another week. So, in the mean time, we cannot use 07L/R for departures. I can't say I'm proud of my company having to write this, but facts are facts...Lysexpat wrote:operational ATC reason is that another word for work to the rule?
@ Homo Aeroportus: the wind at surface would indeed at first glance be fine for RWY 25R/L, but at 1000' there was a wind of 030 at 25kts... Also, the prediction of our meteo was that it would only turn north-west for bout an hour, before returning to 030 - 040 degrees...
Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
Not properly trained yet? No offence, but I cannot imagine a new procedure to be that hard to adapt to :s
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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
strange indeed
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The new SIDs from rwy 07R are the result of the 'airport agreement'. The political representatives have instructed the belgian CAA to see to the implementation.
To achieve this, the belgian CAA has issued an instruction to Belgocontrol to establish a procedure taking into account the new SIDs.
So far so good, I understand that Belgocontrol management has to follow the instructions from the CAA, but...
The time frame for implementation of this new procedure was quite ambitious. It does not seem to allow enough time to test and evaluate the new procedure adequately. Let alone establish adequate training for controllers (TWR, APP and ACC).
In the end, not all ATCOs were trained in time so the Belgian Supervisory Authority could not sign off on the new procedure.
Since extending the existing procedure was not possible : no departures from 07L/R allowed until training is completed.
You could ask yourself why the implementation was not delayed?
Seems that the 25th of May, 2014 is an important deadline for the political representatives...
@Tomskii
The new procedure is quite different from what existed and involves traffic streams in and out of EBBR, EBCI and EBLG. Add in some military airspace that is not always available and things can get quite complicated...
To achieve this, the belgian CAA has issued an instruction to Belgocontrol to establish a procedure taking into account the new SIDs.
So far so good, I understand that Belgocontrol management has to follow the instructions from the CAA, but...
The time frame for implementation of this new procedure was quite ambitious. It does not seem to allow enough time to test and evaluate the new procedure adequately. Let alone establish adequate training for controllers (TWR, APP and ACC).
In the end, not all ATCOs were trained in time so the Belgian Supervisory Authority could not sign off on the new procedure.
Since extending the existing procedure was not possible : no departures from 07L/R allowed until training is completed.
You could ask yourself why the implementation was not delayed?
Seems that the 25th of May, 2014 is an important deadline for the political representatives...
@Tomskii
The new procedure is quite different from what existed and involves traffic streams in and out of EBBR, EBCI and EBLG. Add in some military airspace that is not always available and things can get quite complicated...
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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
As from 1600 LT:
Arrival: 07L
Departures: 07R.
Looks like President Obama will be given a nice view over Brussels when approaching BRU
Arrival: 07L
Departures: 07R.
Looks like President Obama will be given a nice view over Brussels when approaching BRU
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
Wasn't he supposed to land on 01, for security reasons. There is not such a huge difference in the orientation of 07L and 01, and unless the wind is very strong, everything remains possible...woutertheboy wrote:As from 1600 LT:
Arrival: 07L
Departures: 07R.
Looks like President Obama will be given a nice view over Brussels when approaching BRU
André
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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
Due to strong North winds, all flights currently operate on RWY 01, probably till late evening. This may cause delays for arriving flights.
André
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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
Wind does not look so strong. Only a 10 knot crosswind for rwy 25...
METAR EBBR 181550Z 34010KT 310V020 9999 FEW036 11/02 Q1017 NOSIG
TAF EBBR 181110Z 1812/1918 35012KT 9999 FEW030 SCT045
BECMG 1906/1908 07009=
Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
It is not so much the crosswind that dictates a runway change in this case but the tailwind component. The METAR gives 340 at 10 kts. This is 90° crosswind but the wind is variable between 310 and 020. Once you get past 340, there is a tailwind factor to consider. Tower always considers the worst scenario, in this case 020 at 10kts.
Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
They are landing on 01 right now
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I hope the wil change it to 25L
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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
RWY07L in use now for arrivals
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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
Finally... What a waste of time and fuel when they use 01. That costs a fortune for the companies!!! Stupid politicians and dito spreidingsplan
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Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
Standard 25L/R configuration is currently active again.sdbelgium wrote:RWY07L in use now for arrivals
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
Due to the wind (20023G37 TEMPO 19023G40) non-standard configuration landing and take-off runway 19 today.
Re: The one and only which runway in use @ EBBR-topic
For those who are planning a trip to EBBR tomorrow, there is a possibility that rwy07L will be in use for arrivals instead of rwy 01 due to works at B1/E7.
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A0750/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:20 APR 15 04:00
Text:TWY B1 CLOSED
A0751/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:TWY A1 W4 W41 W42 CLOSED DUE TO WIP
A0752/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:RWY 25R CLOSED FOR LANDING TKOF FROM TWY B3 TORA 2770M
A0753/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:RWY O7L CLOSED FOR DEPARTURE. LDA 2782M. LATEST EXIT IS TWY B3
A0754/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:RWY 19 CLOSED FOR LANDING. TKOF FROM TWY E6 TORA 2164M
A0755/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:RWY 01 CLOSED FOR DEPARTURES. LDA 2395M. LATEST EXIT IS TWY E6
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:20 APR 15 04:00
Text:TWY B1 CLOSED
A0751/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:TWY A1 W4 W41 W42 CLOSED DUE TO WIP
A0752/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:RWY 25R CLOSED FOR LANDING TKOF FROM TWY B3 TORA 2770M
A0753/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:RWY O7L CLOSED FOR DEPARTURE. LDA 2782M. LATEST EXIT IS TWY B3
A0754/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:RWY 19 CLOSED FOR LANDING. TKOF FROM TWY E6 TORA 2164M
A0755/15
From:18 APR 15 11:00 Till:19 APR 15 04:00
Text:RWY 01 CLOSED FOR DEPARTURES. LDA 2395M. LATEST EXIT IS TWY E6