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Air Key West wrote:The message I wanted to get across (but I probaby failed) was that I blame :
1. LH for not making a decision and just giving b.air the necessary oxygen to survive in order to be able to buy the airline when/if it makes profit and at the same time keeping all the options open including abandoning the airline without any bad feelings.
Yet isn't that just common business sense you'll also see demonstrated by other potential investors/shareholders should they be called upon and be willing to step in (as I have tried to illustrate briefly), something which is most certainly also well known by the other shareholders too, hence them sticking with Lufthansa?

I think it's understandable to dream of a rich oil sjeik passing by and falling madly in love with you at first sight, but how real is it? To me, if the figures don't add up, nobody is going to be interested in you and if they do, an EU investor might not be such a bad choice indeed, given they can go for a full take-over then, something no non-EU investor ever can, so unless it's for say British AW, trading in Lufthansa could very well be a step backwards, long term.

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Air Key West wrote:They missed YUL
Nothing is lost about YUL. Once SN fleels like they are ready to operate that route, there is not doubt that this will be arranged within Atlantic++. AC on its turn can start a non-stop Toronto-Brussels route (which they have hinted as a possible future 787 route). Currently SN is getting lots of transfer pax from those AC flights without the need to deploy an aicraft on their own. But if SN once thinks to recover financially, I'm very sure they'll take over this route.

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Inquirer wrote:Yet isn't that just common business sense you'll also see demonstrated by other potential investors/shareholders should they be called upon and be willing to step in
Yes...and no. (Out of curiosity...again :? ) when was the decision made (by the Board of Directors, I presume) to extent the take-over deadline from 2014 to 2017 ? Today it sounds (to me) like the wrong decison. As to "other potential investors" : if you invest in a very fragile company or airline it's either to "kill a competitor" (which is not the case with LH, but could be the case with AF/KL) or to help it get profitable and solid (which is not what LH is doing ; LH is giving b.air just the necessary oxygen to survice while telling them : get profitable, but basically do it alone, while knowing that there is no margin left to increase productivity or reducing costs.
Inquirer wrote:I think it's understandable to dream of a rich oil sjeik passing by and falling madly in love with you at first sight,
No, it's not understandable. That's why I said "perhaps" and "if". Anyway, for those who hadn't realised it yet, Franz (at least) basically wanted b.air to be LH's Africa subsidiary without any expansion on the intercontinental front. Long haul pax from/to BRU must fly LH via FRA/MUC.

And those of us (including me to some extent) who DREAMDED ( :oops: ) of long haul expansion for b.air
could only keep on dreaming under Franz's leadership (?).
Now, indeed, it will be interesting to see what Franz's successor will do.
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RoMax wrote: Nothing is lost about YUL. Once SN fleels like they are ready to operate that route, there is not doubt that this will be arranged within Atlantic++. AC on its turn can start a non-stop Toronto-Brussels route (which they have hinted as a possible future 787 route). Currently SN is getting lots of transfer pax from those AC flights without the need to deploy an aicraft on their own. But if SN once thinks to recover financially, I'm very sure they'll take over this route.
Right. It has been hinted to on various occasions on this forum and there is a logic to it. Perhaps I'm too impatient, but a lot is happening "elsewhere" and all b.air can do is organise a press conference on the FR/MOL model, just to get free publicity (for their summer flights basically).
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RoMax wrote:You think LH has ANY power over TK??? LH has other concerns regarding TK than just SN's African market (also that's one of them), also the fact that TK is simply running away with LH's home market (which is mainly a danger for the FRA/MUC-Asia traffic). The fight with TK has been played up to the highest political levels with the political leaders of Germany and Turkey trying to get TK and LH together. TK was way to greedy and as a result LH stopped every codeshare cooperation with TK. If you think LH didn't try to cool TK down in their expansion (in Germany and Africa) you are very wrong.
The giant in LH could have easily persuaded TK to be a teamplayer or threaten to force them out Star and even out of Germany. It's not so nice, but what TK is doing to LH isn't nice either.
And if that were not achievable, the least LH could do is to arm SN with the weapons to fight the war instead of leaving them at their mercy.


Regarding take-over candidates, EY would not be such a great choice as they will, like LH, as Inquirer points out, use SN for their own purpose rather than to make SN thrive to harvest its profits.

In any case, there are several options that I can think of:
-Merging with a solid and established non-EU carrier who is looking for feeding in the EU to gain an edge over the middle-East carriers, and wouldn't have a conflict of interest in developing SN's own longhaul network. Requires an airline with mass who can benefit from a hub in BRU and of SN's African network. Examples: SQ, NH, JL, CX, BR, AA, UA, AC, DL. Any of the large Chinese carriers could be suitable.
-Merging with a solid EU carrier who has the intention to develop SN as a standalone or integrated profitable entity in order to compete with other large groups, a partner who doesn't have overlap in Africa. LH did seem a good candidate, the only other options are IAG.
-A more risky alternative is to merge with another similar-sized airline to create a new large group that can compete against IAG, LH and AF/KL...in such case AZ comes to mind. AZ is in the exact same situation as SN with AF, who has been restricting AZ's longhaul growth to as few and as miserable routes possible. AZ realises this and for this reason is trying to get rid of AF for EY... but EY is the same trap as AF. This will however require a third party investor with very deep pockets... such as SU or an investment fund (Berlusconi who made a wise choice not to sell all of AZ to AF back in 2008? Warren Buffet, also "owner" of Netjets?)
-Longhaul LCC candidates. Examples: FR, U2, Norwegian . Only need to make sure that their intentions are genuine. Africa would be an absolute asset for such an operation.
-Going public, diluting LH's share and SN going its own way. Requires a management with motivation, vision and a strong track record in the same industry.
-An unrelated third party with deep pockets and good vision who just wants to embark on an adventure.

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Flanker2 wrote: The giant in LH could have easily persuaded TK to be a teamplayer or threaten to force them out Star and even out of Germany. It's not so nice, but what TK is doing to LH isn't nice either.
Even as one of the leading groups in Star Alliance, LH wouldn't have the power to push TK out of the alliance, too many non-European airlines benefit from TK's membership. Pushing them out of Germany would require a major political interference wich would mean a giant diplomatic war between Germany and Turkey.
Flanker2 wrote:the least LH could do is to arm SN with the weapons to fight the war instead of leaving them at their mercy.
Who says LH is not working on a broader Africa strategy? They tried to arrange it with TK and that failed last year, I'm sure they are working hard on the alternative. But what did you expect, 10 extra aircraft for Africa this summer? As I said before, under the leadership of the current ceo, LH is often taking the carefull/cautious approach (maybe even too cautious, altough it helps them in their profits, I only hope they are keeping the long term in mind).
Flanker2 wrote:
-Merging with a solid and established non-EU carrier who is looking for feeding in the EU to gain an edge over the middle-East carriers, and wouldn't have a conflict of interest in developing SN's own longhaul network. Requires an airline with mass who can benefit from a hub in BRU and of SN's African network. Examples: SQ, NH, JL, CX, BR, AA, UA, AC, DL. Any of the large Chinese carriers could be suitable.
Merging? A non-EU carrier can only take a minority share of 49%, so that's a strategic share to operate a strategic partnership at the most (as is Etihad doing with Air Berlin, Air Serbia, Aer Lingus, Darwin Airline, Alitalia). Or is that what you mean with "merging"? But of all the carriers you name, I don't see any that would benefit from a financial investment in SN, not any of them. As said in my previous post, I can only think of the Chinese HNA (Hainan) Group.
Flanker2 wrote: -Merging with a solid EU carrier who has the intention to develop SN as a standalone or integrated profitable entity in order to compete with other large groups, a partner who doesn't have overlap in Africa. LH did seem a good candidate, the only other options are IAG.
I doubt IAG is still interested at this moment and I doubt even more that it would benefit SN. Back in 2007/2008 I would have named BA as a suitable candidate, but not now, it's too late.
Flanker2 wrote: -A more risky alternative is to merge with another similar-sized airline to create a new large group that can compete against IAG, LH and AF/KL...in such case AZ comes to mind. AZ is in the exact same situation as SN with AF, who has been restricting AZ's longhaul growth to as few and as miserable routes possible. AZ realises this and for this reason is trying to get rid of AF for EY... but EY is the same trap as AF. This will however require a third party investor with very deep pockets... such as SU or an investment fund (Berlusconi who made a wise choice not to sell all of AZ to AF back in 2008? Warren Buffet, also "owner" of Netjets?)
AZ...I'd stay very far away from that carrier for as long as it is (partly) owned and controlled by the Italian government. Italy has lots of potential, but AZ is a dead story without major changes and the Italian Government is not willing to approve these changes. Remember the previous DG of IATA (Bisignani) was CEO of Alitalia, he did a good job turning around the company somewhere in the nineties, but wanted to change more because he realised it wouldn't be enough on the long term...the government was once again way to protective and Bisignani left together with the rest of the core management team which supported him. Today, about one and a half decade later, many financial problems and a re-start in a New Alitalia: situation is still the same disaster.
Flanker2 wrote: -Longhaul LCC candidates. Examples: FR, U2, Norwegian . Only need to make sure that their intentions are genuine. Africa would be an absolute asset for such an operation.
I don't see that happening, not at all. It would be easier for these airline to work on their own. If they would want the African market (which I don't see happening in the first 5-10 years at least), they could take over SN just to get the traffic rights, but for the rest, nothing will be left from SN (except for a Belgian AOC and some Belgian registrated aircraft to retain the traffic rights ).
Flanker2 wrote: -Going public, diluting LH's share and SN going its own way. Requires a management with motivation, vision and a strong track record in the same industry.
-An unrelated third party with deep pockets and good vision who just wants to embark on an adventure.
Both of them are unlikely as well, because SN is worth not a single Euro without a strong strategic airline partner.

I don't see any viable alternative for LH so far, which wouldn't be possible until 2017 anyway and than still only when LH doesn't take over the remaining shares in the upcomming years.

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At last! A very interesting and courteous discussion in which each participant has made good points, imho!

My view in a few words:

-I understand LH is waiting for SN to be more profitable (or making less losses if you prefer) before taking it over: the pressure on mgt and personnel would be much lower if LH takes over immediately;

-So,they are now keeping SN on the defensive mode: even the new action plan is not really ambitious: the renewal of the s-m/h fleet would have had to start some day anyhow; it's now coupled with a modest expansion;

-However, by taking the slow path, LH/SN is losing time but also opportunities and, worst of all, they are letting the competition take important positions that will be hard to conquer later on when they finally decide to go on full steam (if they ever decide to do so...).

I wonder if the few million € improvement LH is expecting SN to bring to the table before the takeover are worth losing all this time and all these opportunities.

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I think the best option for the current shareholders is to let the take-over option expire.
Of course, LH will still be able to buy the remainder of the shares, but it will give them a urge to do so, if other candidates show up.
Now LH is just playing with SN's management and shareholders.

Years ago, BA was seen as the best partner by the last 2 ceo. But shareholders favored a quick sale.

Maybe the best partner now would be FR. (I am not joking).
Think new low cost long haul model, new planes in Europe, big base in Brussels.

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How about Norwegion? Expanding faster than EZ right now. Recent new base in LGW and Spain. They put in a large order for A320Neo (and therefore could benefit from taking over an Airbus operation).

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At last! A very interesting and courteous discussion in which each participant has made good points!
Actually, I find it rather funny then interesting:

- a discussion in 2014 about the published financial results from 2012;
- prognoses, based upon that 2012 published account and one press article from February 2013;
- a discussion about wrong facts (it was not a "lening/prêt", but an "achtergestelde lening" - prêt subordonné");
- nobody seems to know why the Belgian shareholders have not raised the capital themselves;
- common statements SN/LH about future plans are ignored;
- most posts suggest bad faith from Lufthansa, based upon the fact that ... euh, based upon no facts at all.

But please, continue.

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Quite a few people are obviously disappointed by Lufthansa, probably because they had quite high expectations from them and saw them as some kind of a santaclaus who'd be expanding Bru.Air into another Swiss.

The question is; were these expectations real to start with? Personally, I would say no.

Like it or not, but it is fairly common business sense nobody in his right mind would invest loads of money in a lossmaking venue right at a moment when the global economy tanked; remember Lufthansa stepped in only a few months before the first financial crisis broke out and their own results came under high pressure as a consequence of that, so it shouldn't have come to a surprise that everything was put on hold till the end of the crisis: if Lufthansa would have pulled Bru.air onboard at a moment when they were already forced to take control over bmi and had to come to the rescue of Austrian too, it had the potential to kill the whole group even if things took a nastier turn in Europe than they ultimately only did.

What is however going to be crucial in my view is this year.
With the European economy picking up (and aviation is a leading indicator for that), improved financial results in BRU and a debt restructuring successfully concluded, the situation is as good as back to normal now, so there should be no more immediate excuses for Lufthansa to play another waiting game for several years if they are really still interested: Sure, there's increased competition now, but that's just the consequence of operating in a lucrative and growing business, so my eye really is on the end of this year: they really need to make a move then, or give up.

However, as I have tried to make clear above yesterday, the idea that somebody else would then just take over from Lufthansa and do much more is very unlikely too and although flanker briefly touches it, an IPO would make no sense at all really, so that brings me back to my conclusion which is that Lufthansa may be their best option, although very dull and limited in ambition.

My very sobering advice is that some people here will just have to accept reality and trim down their own irreal hopes and expectations, much more than complain about incompetent and reluctant shareholders, because in my view those shareholders are doing exactly what any other shareholder would do in the given situation: one could even argue they are doing much more than that even, if I may say so, because quite a few institutional investors that I can think of would have just cut their losses at the end of 2012 and walked out, rather than put another 100M euro on the table, albeit as a loan.
If it wouldn't have been because of Lufthansa, Bru.air might not have been around any longer by now, because IMHO, the Germans are very very lenient on them and very understanding of the situation.
Don't expect this kind of an attitude from Chinese, American or Middle Eastern airlines, let alone from investment funds, would be my advice!

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Inquirer wrote:Quite a few people are obviously disappointed by Lufthansa, probably because they had quite high expectations from them and saw them as some kind of a santaclaus who'd be expanding Bru.Air into another Swiss.

The question is; were these expectations real to start with? Personally, I would say no.

Like it or not, but it is fairly common business sense nobody in his right mind would invest loads of money in a lossmaking venue right at a moment when the global economy tanked; remember Lufthansa stepped in only a few months before the first financial crisis broke out and their own results came under high pressure as a consequence of that, so it shouldn't have come to a surprise that everything was put on hold till the end of the crisis: if Lufthansa would have pulled Bru.air onboard at a moment when they were already forced to take control over bmi and had to come to the rescue of Austrian too, it had the potential to kill the whole group even if things took a nastier turn in Europe than they ultimately only did.

What is however going to be crucial in my view is this year.
With the European economy picking up (and aviation is a leading indicator for that), improved financial results in BRU and a debt restructuring successfully concluded, the situation is as good as back to normal now, so there should be no more immediate excuses for Lufthansa to play another waiting game for several years if they are really still interested: Sure, there's increased competition now, but that's just the consequence of operating in a lucrative and growing business, so my eye really is on the end of this year: they really need to make a move then, or give up.

However, as I have tried to make clear above yesterday, the idea that somebody else would then just take over from Lufthansa and do much more is very unlikely too and although flanker briefly touches it, an IPO would make no sense at all really, so that brings me back to my conclusion which is that Lufthansa may be their best option, although very dull and limited in ambition.

My very sobering advice is that some people here will just have to accept reality and trim down their own irreal hopes and expectations, much more than complain about incompetent and reluctant shareholders, because in my view those shareholders are doing exactly what any other shareholder would do in the given situation: one could even argue they are doing much more than that even, if I may say so, because quite a few institutional investors that I can think of would have just cut their losses at the end of 2012 and walked out, rather than put another 100M euro on the table, albeit as a loan.
If it wouldn't have been because of Lufthansa, Bru.air might not have been around any longer by now, because IMHO, the Germans are very very lenient on them and very understanding of the situation.
Don't expect this kind of an attitude from Chinese, American or Middle Eastern airlines, let alone from investment funds, would be my advice!
Very good analysis imho! I also think LH is the best/only solution for SN in the present circumstances. But LH should now act asap. Every month hesitation means lost opportunities and added competition on SN's turf!

One more thing: the renewal of the s/h fleet will be costly. Does someone here kow the leasing cost of an A319 vs that of an RJ100?

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One more thing: the renewal of the s/h fleet will be costly. Does someone here kow the leasing cost of an A319 vs that of an RJ100?
A319 – $8.3 - 34.3M, $110-270,000
A320 – $4.0 - 41.0M, $65-320,000
A321 – $9.5 - 48.0M, $90-385,000
A330-200 – $32.0 - 87.0M, $320-850,000
A330-300 - $17.5 - 100.0M, $180-900,000
A340-300 – $7.0 -39.3M, $130-380,000
A380-800 - $145.0 - 210.0M, $1,350-2,000,000
B737-300 – $1.3 – 5.0M, $40-80,000
B737-700 - $12.0 - 34.5M, $140-300,000
B737-800 - $15.0 - 46.0M, $190-360,000
B737-900ER - $30.0 - 48.5M, $260-390,000
B747-400 – $10.0 – 38.0M, $190-460,000
B757-200 – $5.5 – 20.0M, $80-220,000
B767-300ER – $9.5 – 61.5M, $170-460,000
B777-200ER – $38.0 – 115.0M, $400-900,000
B777-300ER – $88.0 – 165.0M, $800-1,550,000
B787-8 - $100.0 - 113.0M, $900-1,000,000
MD-11 - $8.0 – 14.0M , $150-220,000
MD-82 - $0.5 - 1.4M, $25-45,000
CRJ200 – $1.4 - 5.0M, $35-70,000
CRJ700 – $9.0 – 22.5M, $90-200,000
CRJ900 - $11.5 – 25.0M, $120-220,000
Q400 – $9.5 – 21.0M, $90-190,000
ERJ145 – $2.8 – 8.0M, $40-80,000
EMB170 – $14.0 – 27.0M, $145-235,000
EMB190 – $19.3 – 32.5M, $185-280,000
ATR-72 – $6.4 – 20.0M, $80-190,000


http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forum ... n/5970415/

RJ100 - $2.00 - 4.00M $20.000-40.000

The RJ100 versus A319? While the RJ100 is much cheaper on the leases, the fuel burn is only 10-15% less than a A319. Its maintenance bill is higher than A319, partly due to 4 engines. But it also requires much more attention. In my estimates, it will cost about the same to operate the A319 as the RJ100. If not, the difference will not be so big.

I will respond later to Inquirer.

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Back in the days when the takeover by LH was anounced, I already found BA/AA a better option for SN then LH. Unfortunately, neither had the financial capacity to take over SN. I am still convinced SN would do better as a part of IAG then as a part of the LH group.

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Flanker2 wrote: I will respond later to Inquirer.
Well Inquirer, as they use to say at the boy scouts: be prepared!

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Passenger wrote:
Flanker2 wrote: I will respond later to Inquirer.
Well Inquirer, as they use to say at the boy scouts: be prepared!
you 2 should rent a house together :lol:

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Conti764 wrote:Back in the days when the takeover by LH was anounced, I already found BA/AA a better option for SN then LH. Unfortunately, neither had the financial capacity to take over SN. I am still convinced SN would do better as a part of IAG then as a part of the LH group.
same here ;)

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Inquirer wrote:Quite a few people are obviously disappointed by Lufthansa, probably because they had quite high expectations from them and saw them as some kind of a santaclaus who'd be expanding Bru.Air into another Swiss.

The question is; were these expectations real to start with? Personally, I would say no.
My expectations were high for LH, as an employee at the time.
If we remind ourselves what SN was like before LH stepped in, it was a passive company with passive shareholders that was breaking even but still standing strongly on its feet and within its niche. All employees including managers were looking forward to being part of the LH group, as it would mean that LH would make the company less passive and develop it into a stronger, independent and thriving entity.
That's what was said at the time.

So I too believed all that cr*p and thought that LH would play out to be a better partner than say BA.

It didn't take me long to start doubting LH's motives as I didn't see anything improve at SN, quite to the contrary. In fact as an employee, you could see with naked eyes how things went from bad to worse, to the point that it wasn't worth it for me anymore, despite that I loved SN and aviation. The union guys didn't seem to do anything, nor was I relying on them to do anything because there was simply no future left to fight for.
I wasn't the only one. I hear that things are even worse nowadays, which I can't imagine...

So yes expectations were high because no one thought that the only result of the LH transaction would be that
A. the shareholders get some of their money back,
B. SN would join Star without any sensitive increase in traffic and/or revenues, and
C. (only) pilots get to non-rev with LH. Wow!
D. SN would join A++ in a venture where anyone knew from the beginning that it would be difficult to make money. Some employees were happy that they could fly cheap to New York, but those weren't aware of the bigger picture problem, ie, that they were going to pay the difference in another way someday.

Justified, not justified...well, when a big company buys a significant share into your company that has great, untapped potential, the least you expect is the status quo, but you hope for improvement.
But no, SN is now in worse shape than when it was started up. We can blame it on Gustin and his team but for that we need to know all the facts, because I start to think that LH's extreme passiveness, even worse than the original shareholders, plays a bigger role in this story.

Tolipanebas and some other beliebers assured us year after year that LH would soon make a move... the spring came and went, year after year and I was skeptical and at the same time I hoped I was wrong.
This joke has been going on for 5 years and it makes me angry.
What is however going to be crucial in my view is this year.
With the European economy picking up (and aviation is a leading indicator for that), improved financial results in BRU and a debt restructuring successfully concluded, the situation is as good as back to normal now, so there should be no more immediate excuses for Lufthansa to play another waiting game for several years if they are really still interested: Sure, there's increased competition now, but that's just the consequence of operating in a lucrative and growing business, so my eye really is on the end of this year: they really need to make a move then, or give up.
(IMO The increased competition can also be blamed to passiveness from shareholders, including LH)
Good remark but the worst thing is that if LH "give up" at the end of the year, SN will be lost. I don't blame the government and Davignon for getting out of their way and saving all these jobs (in fact I applaude them), but I blame them for closing all other options and giving LH, who is barely doing anything for SN, the best cards. This proves one thing for certain: LH know how to negotiate.

Now a question to our lawyers/jurists on the forum:
If SN enters a "chapter 11" procedure (whatever equivalent in Belgium - judicial reorganisation?) and the court seeks a buyer, does LH still maintain the exclusive rights to purchase the company if they fail to exercise them during this procedure by the court, or can the court cancel their exclusive rights with the interest to save the company by transferring it to a third party with a decent business plan?
It does sound like a way out of the exclusive purchase agreement if things continue like this and SN needs to go to plan B.

Last but not least, I feel like the original shareholders are letting LH do all the thinking, based on LH's expertise in the field. I hope that they realise that they better start doing their own thinking again because those "experts" aren't very good or don't seem very motivated...
If it wouldn't have been because of Lufthansa, Bru.air might not have been around any longer by now, because IMHO, the Germans are very very lenient on them and very understanding of the situation.
Don't expect this kind of an attitude from Chinese, American or Middle Eastern airlines, let alone from investment funds, would be my advice!
LH haven't injected much into SN yet (have they at all?), and their so-called management expertise support is nowhere to be found in SN's results.
I don't see what LH has done to keep SN alive until now. Sure they paid its shareholders off to be able to join the club but only a small amount stayed in SN's bank account. They transferred some Africa routes from LX to SN, but that was internal competition in the first place and LX was probably not doing so good.

From my point of view, LH has nothing to be lenient or understanding about, since they haven't invested anything for SN, except useless expertise under the form of LH managers who haven't contributed much to improving SN, if they haven't made it worse.
Even then, SN had to pay their salaries, so it's not like it was for free.

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CEO Bernard Gustin today in De Tijd:

What is it with the plans for Africa? "We look to Juba in Southern Sudan," says Gustin. The situation in the country will of course need to calm down first. "And you should not be in Juba overnight countries, which is difficult for us." Gustin says Brussels Airlines wants to expand, as the intra-African flights. Destination network in East Africa With partner airline Korongo can be flown from Kinshasa to Lubumbashi Lubumbashi to Johannesburg. "The future of flying in Africa is intra-African," says Gustin. But first Gustin in Africa still needs a few more days on the bike.

(translated by Google)

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Re: Brussels airlines future and financial perspective

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According to 'la libre', SN's strategy to compete with FR on its own turf is 'suicidal', because of its higher cost structure, smaller fleet, higher number of employees compared to number of passengers carried, load factor, etc... and considering FR's big cash reserve which gives it the possibility to rapidly increase (or decrease) its offer, or flood the market with cheap tickets and sustain a long battle.

SN should instead focus on niche market, and better service for business travelers.

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