Ryanair in 2014

[cnc]

all depends on the cooperation with the handler. normally hand luggage will be unloaded first and delivered at the door together with strollers and WC's. in a 737 it will be loaded in hold 1 anyway so while regular offload starts in the back 1 or 2 loaders can take these up in the jetbridge or place them down at the stairs

[airazurxtror]

Look it's very clear ... this forum is an SN forum and a BRU forum. The fact that Ryanair will carry more passengers then any belgian airline(to and from Belgium) and that you will see the harp flying out of your precious BRU is giving quite a lot of you stomach ulcers. I get that .... that doesn't mean that you constantly have to conjure up theories and try to spin EVERYTHING ryanair does into a negative fact.

A lot of knowledgeable theoricians on this forum.
I remenber one or two years ago, when I suggested that Ryanair could come to BRU in a not too distant future.
I was laughed at, and not a few such theoricians explained that it was impossible, unthinkable, that BRU was not an airport for LCC, that Ryanair would never be allowed in BRU, never, never ...
So much for the theoricians ...

[Inquirer]

Yes I know, CNC, it works really well if the airline is willing to do it.
Of course you always have passengers who don't know about the system and go straight to the belt to wait there in vain, but most passengers seem to expect their handluggage back where they left it: i.e. at the door of the aircraft.
However, sean says ryanair won't do that and from your explanation CNC I understand why (it takes 1 or 2 extra staff members to carry it back up), so whatever gets taken off you, will have to be recovered at the belt, hoping it makes it there unharmed: otherwise, the loss is yours, as I have experienced first hand and it's not a pleasant thing to happen as you generally keep your most important/valuable things in your often not exactly "beltproof" handluggage.

[sean1982]

all depends on the cooperation with the handler. normally hand luggage will be unloaded first and delivered at the door together with strollers and WC's. in a 737 it will be loaded in hold 1 anyway so while regular offload starts in the back 1 or 2 loaders can take these up in the jetbridge or place them down at the stairs

Ryanair doesn't normally use the AFT holds unless really required for CG

[Charlie Roy]

i was laughed at, and not a few such theoricians explained that it was impossible, unthinkable, that BRU was not an airport for LCC, that Ryanair would never be allowed in BRU, never, never ...
So much for the theoricians ...

Indeed I was reading an article yesterday about "poor Aegean" facing new competition from Ryanair at Athens. My opinion is that every airline / airport in Europe has had at least 10 years to prepare themselves for potential arrival of Ryanair at their airport, on their routes. So don't come crying to me. Airlines like Czech Airlines, Austrian Airlines, SAS Denmark, KLM etc. should be preparing themselves for Ryanair.

[sn26567]

I was reading an article yesterday about "poor Aegean" facing new competition from Ryanair at Athens.

I know what you mean: an article from CAPA, which usually makes very fine analyses of airlines and countries: "Ryanair’s growth in Greece threatens Aegean’s turnaround only months after Olympic acquisition"

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ion-149078

Why is Ryanair targeting Greece? The answer of CAPA: "So, although Greece is not one of the largest markets in Europe, it is next on the list for attention from Ryanair and its decision to add two new bases there is not surprising. It has the right combination of sufficient size and relative under-penetration by Ryanair.

Moreover, Greece is a strongly leisure-oriented market and this suits Ryanair. For all its talk about targeting business passengers, the core of Ryanair’s operation is likely to remain the leisure flyer. It needs to continue to find growth opportunities ahead of the new aircraft deliveries under its new Boeing order and Greece seems to fit."

CAPA also shows in interesting graph about the penetration of Ryanair in the European market. Average 14% of the seats, with large variations from country to country: from 74%in Slovakia to 1% in the Czech Republic (22% in Belgium, before the new BRU base, 11% in Greece to justify its planned expansion).

[ticketbuyer]

Inquirer wrote
you generally keep your most important/valuable things in your often not exactly "beltproof" handluggage.

Perhaps we shall see the return of underseat bags for the most important/valuable things while the rest goes in the overhead locker with the risk of being put in the hold if you are one of the last to board.
There is considerable debate about how big underseat baggage can be but I have seen 19x14x8 inches quoted for USA carriers.
Perhaps we will soon have an underseat bag size check at check-in to further enhance the flying experience.

The new LCC policy seems to be;

Early to board, bag in the locker
Late to board, wait at the belt

[airazurxtror]

With Ryanair, you can take two cabin bags :

CABIN BAGGAGE : One cabin bag per passenger* weighing up to 10kg with maximum dimensions of 55cm x 40cm x 20cm, plus 1 small bag up to 35 x 20 x 20 cms.

[Passenger]

With Ryanair, you can take two cabin bags :

CABIN BAGGAGE : One cabin bag per passenger* weighing up to 10kg with maximum dimensions of 55cm x 40cm x 20cm, plus 1 small bag up to 35 x 20 x 20 cms.

Indeed. They didn't wait till 4 February 2014 to allow this small extra bag for tax free shops. On that day, the European Commission will indeed strenghten again passenger rights, see
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/n ... ger-rights
See chapter "Further improvements for passengers":

Detailed information on hand-luggage allowances (including possible extra charges) and complaint procedures with regard to air passenger rights and luggage handling should be provided at reservation and contact addresses for complaints clearly indicated on the ticket, MEPs say.

Coats, handbags and at least one bag of airport shopping should be accepted on all flights, in addition to the prescribed maximum cabin baggage allowance, MEPs added.

Passengers who have not used their outward flight must not be denied boarding or face any extra cost on the return flight.

Free-of-charge assistance (food, drinks, accommodation when necessary) must be provided already after two hours’ delay, even in “extraordinary circumstances”.

[Established02]

"Ryanair is about to launch Milan Malpensa base"

http://www.anna.aero/2014/01/27/routefl ... ensa-base/

[SabenaForever]

Fyi

http://zakenreisnieuws.nl/nl-NL/artikel ... itiatieven
(sorry only dutch)

[fcw]

"Ryanair is about to launch Milan Malpensa base"

Yep, during the 3 weeks the runway at Bergamo will be closed!

[airazurxtror]

http://www.sacbo.it/Airpor/portalProcess.jsp

Si comunica che, in occasione dei lavori di rifacimento della pista dell'Aeroporto di Orio al Serio, tutti i voli saranno sospesi a partire dalle ore 00:01 di martedì 13 maggio 2014 con ripresa della normale attività operativa a partire dalle ore 06:00 di lunedì 2 giugno 2014.
Ryanair informa i propri passeggeri che, nel periodo di chiusura della pista dell'Aeroporto di Bergamo Orio al Serio, tutti i voli operati dalla compagnia saranno trasferiti all'Aeroporto di Milano Malpensa.

Orio al Serio will be closed for resurfacing, from 13 May to 2 June.
All Ryanair flights moved to Malpensa for the duration.

[airazurxtror]

if a sn flight is cancell they will rebook you on another flight later during the day or with an airlines partner, or even another company witch have nothing to do with sn.

if your ryanair flight is cancell they will dontheir best as well to rebook the pax on a later flight but if there is not, they will never rebook u on another company and you have a greater chance to miss an important appointment.

That may well be - but but what is the percentage of cancellations at SN and FR ?
I see for instance that a Brussels Airlines flight is cancelled today because the aircraft is undergoing a C check. I don't very well see that happening at Ryanair ...
In my experience, it's very uncommon for a Ryanair flight to be cancelled.

[sn26567]

"Ryanair is about to launch Milan Malpensa base"

http://www.anna.aero/2014/01/27/routefl ... ensa-base/

Anna.aero apologised for the mistake: Malpensa will be used only during the resurfacing of the Bergamo runways.

[Passenger]

I see for instance that a Brussels Airlines flight is cancelled today because the aircraft is undergoing a C check. I don't very well see that happening at Ryanair ... In my experience, it's very uncommon for a Ryanair flight to be cancelled.

Well, if a not-planned flight due to a C-check is called "cancelled", don't we then have to call all those Bergamo flights also "cancelled"?

Anna.aero apologised for the mistake: Malpensa will be used only during the resurfacing of the Bergamo runways.

[sean1982]

No, because FR at least had a back-up plan. I also had the "pleasure" to get stuck in GVA last year on one of these "unscheduled" flights, even though I had a ticket for it. They then bumped me onto a flight 3 hrs later. Great customer service!!

[Passenger]

No, because FR at least had a back-up plan. I also had the "pleasure" to get stuck in GVA last year on one of these "unscheduled" flights, even though I had a ticket for it. They then bumped me onto a flight 3 hrs later. Great customer service!!

The so called back up plan only applies when a Ryanair aircraft breaks down (yes, it even happens with new aircraft). Ryanair then indeed sends a replacement. But when a flight is cancelled because of "extraordinary circumstances" - example fog or thunderstorms - no back up aircraft is sent. And when the flight is cancelled, passengers get the choice: refund or a seat on the next available flight, five days later or so. Whilst with legacy airlines, they are rebooked with another carrier (as per the IATA rules for "involuntary rebooking").

When extraordaninary circumstances apply, Ryanair passengers mostly don't even get assistance:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... storm.html

[sean1982]

No, because FR at least had a back-up plan. I also had the "pleasure" to get stuck in GVA last year on one of these "unscheduled" flights, even though I had a ticket for it. They then bumped me onto a flight 3 hrs later. Great customer service!!

The so called back up plan only applies when a Ryanair aircraft breaks down (yes, it even happens with new aircraft). Ryanair then indeed sends a replacement. But when a flight is cancelled because of "extraordinary circumstances" - example fog or thunderstorms - no back up aircraft is sent. And when the flight is cancelled, passengers get the choice: refund or a seat on the next available flight, five days later or so. Whilst with legacy airlines, they are rebooked with another carrier (as per the IATA rules for "involuntary rebooking").

When extraordaninary circumstances apply, Ryanair passengers mostly don't even get assistance:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... storm.html

Nice to come up with an article from 4 years ago, a lot has changed since tyen. FR complies fully with european laws when it comes to passenger assistsance in case of diversion or cancellation. FR always send out spare aircraft or crew or busses or whatever they need to do to get passengers to it's final destination. I'm sure you will appreciate the fact that the canary islands are special because they are well... Islands. Legacy carriers DO NOT rebook unlees you have a flexible (and very expensive) ticket. In GVA i was NOT rebooked even when there were other connections a available. I suggest you read up on new procedures instead of digging int to 4 year old news articles.

How long was it ago that SN dumped a group of africans in a basement in BRU for 2 days? 6 weeks?

[Airbus330lover]

if a sn flight is cancell they will rebook you on another flight later during the day or with an airlines partner, or even another company witch have nothing to do with sn.

if your ryanair flight is cancell they will dontheir best as well to rebook the pax on a later flight but if there is not, they will never rebook u on another company and you have a greater chance to miss an important appointment.

That may well be - but but what is the percentage of cancellations at SN and FR ?
I see for instance that a Brussels Airlines flight is cancelled today because the aircraft is undergoing a C check. I don't very well see that happening at Ryanair ...
In my experience, it's very uncommon for a Ryanair flight to be cancelled.

I can easy give you a lot and... without compensation.
BTW i fly with FR on regular basis