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brusselsairlinesfan wrote:Can someone sum up about the new routes and airlines recently announced from BRU ?

- Vueling: Rome, Lisbon, Palma de Mallorca, Ibiza, Venice, Porto, Santiago de Compostela
- EasyJet: Bordeaux, Naples, Londen-Gatwick
- Ryanair: Alicante, Barcelona, Ibiza, Lisbon, Malaga, Palma de Mallorca, Porto, Rome, Venice, Valencia
- Brussels Airlines: Ajaccio, Athens, Bastia, Figari
- Jetairfly: Miami, Tel-Aviv
- US Airways: Charlotte
- BMI Regional: Newcastle Upon Tyle
- Turkish Airlines: Istanbul- Sabiha Gokcen
- Emirates: Dubai ???

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Lisbon cancelled from CRL , the start of a downsize to main airports ?

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Most likely.
The move to Barcelona el Prat has meant less flights from Gerona; and the move to Roma Fiumicino means less flights from Ciampino.
Too bad for CRL - but, as a Brusselaar, I am happy with the move to BRU !
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SabenaForever wrote:- Jetairfly: Miami, Tel-Aviv
Also to Istanbul-Sabiha (moved from CRL).

And some small additions:
- Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium: Split;
- Aegean Airlines: Thessaloniki;

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SabenaForever wrote:
brusselsairlinesfan wrote:Can someone sum up about the new routes and airlines recently announced from BRU ?

- Vueling: Rome, Lisbon, Palma de Mallorca, Ibiza, Venice, Porto, Santiago de Compostela
- EasyJet: Bordeaux, Naples, Londen-Gatwick
- Ryanair: Alicante, Barcelona, Ibiza, Lisbon, Malaga, Palma de Mallorca, Porto, Rome, Venice, Valencia
- Brussels Airlines: Ajaccio, Athens, Bastia, Figari
- Jetairfly: Miami, Tel-Aviv
- US Airways: Charlotte
- BMI Regional: Newcastle Upon Tyle
- Turkish Airlines: Istanbul- Sabiha Gokcen
- Emirates: Dubai ???
Hi SabenaForever (Nice nickname!), thank You very much for this nice update ! I am wondering about the BRU To FCO, BCN, LIS, OPO, VCE routes... Allready a bit overcrowded nowadays !!! I hope brussels airlines will gain leadership on thèse ones ... They deserve it truly !

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Rostock Airways takes over Air Alps and plans to launch from Bremen to a.o. Brussels

Rostock Airways is a start-up airline from North Germany that will take over Austrian airline Air Alps within the next few days. According to Austrian-Aviation-Net the start-up plans to launch operations on February 3 with twice weekdaily flights from Bremen to Zurich, a route that has been left unserved for nearly a year after the collapse of OLT Express Germany. The flights will be operated with an Air Alps Dornier 328 and are already listed in GDS systems.

In the near future Rostock Airways plans to add more routes from Bremen including Brussels National and Gothenburg Landvetter. ch-aviation has learned from sources within Dresden Airport that it also plans to operate flights from Dresden to Zurich. Original plans for services from Rostock have however been dropped in favour of the planned first base at Bremen.

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Brussels Airlines will add a 5th weekly service to Kigali, which begins on 21 March 2014 (last year it began in May. And the 5 weekly service will be now operated all year round.
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To all readers of this thread:

I have deleted a few posts which were completely out of topic.

May I please ask you to remain on topic: the latest news about airlines and routes operated out of Brussels Airport.

This thread should also not be used for personal attacks and slander. In a forum, it should be possible to express an opinion without having to ridicule someone else's views.

There have been enough warnings. The next move will be a definitive ban.
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I think that SN's entry into Corsica with seasonal service is total madness, there is no market for them there.
I also don't understand why they restart the ATH route when it wasn't profitable in the past.

On routes such as Portugal, FCO, BCN, SN will be competing against 3 other airlines. So I think that SN's volume strategy is going to come back to bite them on those routes.

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Flanker2 wrote:I think that SN's entry into Corsica with seasonal service is total madness, there is no market for them there. I also don't understand why they restart the ATH route when it wasn't profitable in the past.
Unless SN management are completely idiot, they wouldn't open a route without at least a slim chance of making it profitable. From a knowledgeable member of Luchtzak that does not want anymore to enter into a controversy here, I got the following information:

SN has entered into a block seat agreement with Corsica Tours, so the flights to AJA and BIA are already paid for even without a single seat sold by them; the same is valid for the ATH flights. There is a niche tour operator buying enough seats up front to go back on the market with guaranteed success. In fact, there's more news from this front which explains why SN will add more A320 aircraft next year.
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SN has years of experience in operating charters into Corsica and other charter operations (either full charters or mixed operations) to Southern Europe, so they should have the experience to know wether this will work or not. And based on the above, it seems they indeed have some quite strong contracts to make this work even without selling much seats on their own.

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Will the new flights to athene be in cooperation with aegean?

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crew1990 wrote:Will the new flights to athene be in cooperation with aegean?
SN 3245-6 will be codeshared with A3 3001-2.

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SN3245 BRU 0935-1335 ATH A32S 257
SN3245 BRU 1350-1755 ATH A32S 6
SN3246 ATH 1420-1640 BRU A32S 257
SN3246 ATH 1840-2100 BRU A32S 6
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So Athens is going to be 4 times weekly then?
I thought they initially announced only 3 flights per week?
The saturday flight seems to be new to the schedule?
Not exactly a sign of them failing in the market then, IMHO.

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So to resume,

the new frequentie for the summer is:

1 extra weekly flight to Kigali A330
1 extra weekly flight to Luanda A330

4 weekly flights to Athene A320
3 extra weekly flights to Tel Aviv A 320

2 weekly flights to Alicante A319
1 weekly flight to Bastia A319

1 weekly flight to Ajacio AR1
2 weekly flights to Figari AR1

Not that bad isn't it?

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crew1990 wrote: 1 extra weekly flight to Luanda A330
I thought they were going to start this extra frequency to LAD on Jan 26 (as mentioned somewhere before on this forum), but it seems they have already begun. SN359 has been appearing on FR24 on Sundays as well in recent weeks.

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Inquirer wrote:So Athens is going to be 4 times weekly then?
I thought they initially announced only 3 flights per week?
The Saturday flight is operated only in July and August.
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sn26567 wrote:
Flanker2 wrote:I think that SN's entry into Corsica with seasonal service is total madness, there is no market for them there. I also don't understand why they restart the ATH route when it wasn't profitable in the past.
Unless SN management are completely idiot, they wouldn't open a route without at least a slim chance of making it profitable. From a knowledgeable member of Luchtzak that does not want anymore to enter into a controversy here, I got the following information:

SN has entered into a block seat agreement with Corsica Tours, so the flights to AJA and BIA are already paid for even without a single seat sold by them; the same is valid for the ATH flights. There is a niche tour operator buying enough seats up front to go back on the market with guaranteed success. In fact, there's more news from this front which explains why SN will add more A320 aircraft next year.
I hear you, but that's exactly what they did a few years ago with ATH. They did make it work to a certain extent but it was still a big bust. The longer the distance of the flight and the greater the risk, because the operating cost becomes significant and the scheduling becomes an issue.
On top of that, FR is offering ATH out of CRL and Aegean is through BRU, at quite competitive fares. I also remember reading from someone on this forum a trip report with only 30 pax on board a few years back.

Even if they do it seasonally to grab only the lucrative part of the market, the issue is that people need to know in order to be able to book, otherwise the flight's going to be empty. To make people know, you need to spend money on marketing.
FR is clever in this, because in the winter they reduce frequencies instead of stopping service on their lucrative summer routes. That way people know that they can book with FR all year-round, including the summer.

If they work on a charter scheme, it could be mildly profitable (even then I'm not sure) because they are not responsible for the commercial success of the flights. However, it's clear here that SN will be offering this on a non-charter basis and that they will be forced to sell a significant amount of seats themselves.

Corsica is betting a lot of money on this summer, Air Corsica is even rumored to start a route to Liège. But when all the dust settles, Corsica, like Sardinia, are destinations that you can only do if you can plan your own trip, know where (not) to go, and find the low-cost options to do them. Both these islands have lost a lot of tourism in the past decade and are struggling, trying to relaunch.

As an operator, you also have to ask yourself what you're going to do with your aircraft outside of the 2 peak months of July and August? You still have to pay leases, maintenance, insurance even if the aircraft aren't flying.
En conséquence, les compagnies aériennes s’adaptent plus facilement aux réalités du marché. Les « Low Cost » peuvent donc servir de « baromètre » aux besoins en temps réel. Si la ligne est rentable je mets un avion, sinon je l’utilise sur une autre destination. Cette souplesse potentielle nous donne une indication importante.

Alors que les différents acteurs « socio professionnels » insulaires déplorent l’absence de lignes reliant la Corse à des grandes villes européennes, les compagnies « irrégulières » que sont les « Low Cost » nous donnent l’explication la plus logique : « pas de marché, pas d’avions ».
Les principales compagnies Low Cost qui viennent en Corse le font quand il y a du grain à moudre. Easyjet relie quelques villes européennes à Bastia et Ajaccio. La fréquence des vols s’adapte à la demande. La demande, de la part des élus et des socio professionnels de « lignes Low Cost supplémentaires » reste donc une vue de l’esprit. Ce genre de ligne n’existe que quand il y a un marché et visiblement il n’y en a pas. Dans l’île, un certain nombre de responsables économiques et politiques confondent un désir avec une réalité. La réalité, pour une entreprise, c’est une équation simple : il faut que la demande (sur une ligne précise) permette de rentabiliser l’offre. A l’évidence, la demande est insuffisante, puisque même une ristourne (payée par le contribuable) n’attire pas les compagnies.

Une compagnie Low Cost, l’irlandais Ryanair, relie l’aéroport de Figari à Charleroi (Belgique) et Stansded (Londres), en haute saison. Malgré une subvention mixte (public/privé) la compagnie a arrêté de naviguer en basse saison et menace de ne plus venir du tout.
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FR do not serve ATH. The closest they serve is Volos which is about 2,5hrs-3hrs out of Athens.

Jetairfly serve Athens. They used to do it from Charleroi but changed it to Brussels.

A3 (Aegean) will also add several flights a week to Athens from Brussels so I think there must be some cooperation with SN.

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You are right, I have it confused with JAF. I remember seeing it on the billboards at CRL, that's why I was under the impression that it was FR.

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