TUIFly Belgium (ex-Jetairfly) Boeing 787 Dreamliners

[Unilitha2]

In about 2 min on TV news on RTBF, little doc on 787 arrival at BRU.

[teddybAIR]

And I was just wondering: how did he get a connection with the radio? There is no WiFi on board, thus not with Skype. With the pilot's radio then?

Apparently he had a satelite Phone on board. was explicitely mentionned during the interview this morning when still over Greenland

[sn26567]

In about 2 min on TV news on RTBF, little doc on 787 arrival at BRU.

What was said on RTBF (whose journalist also went to Seattle) was at least true, contrarily to what is written in "De Standaard" (a so-called high-quality paper)

De Standaard wrote that:
1. This was the first 787 to land in Belgium. Hello, LO, ET, QR, Thomson, are you there?
2. The plane is property of Jetairfly. Never heard of leasing companies?
3. It was part of an order passed in 2013. No comment!
4. The issue on the Ethiopian 787 stuck in LHR is a battery problem. Nope! Wrong again (see our thread on that issue)

Four mistakes in 20 lines. Any more?

http://m.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20131204_00870958

[Passenger]

Four mistakes in 20 lines. Any more?
http://m.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20131204_00870958

Quote from the article: "In totaal bestelde reisconcern TUI Travel, waar Jetairfly onderdeel van is, vijftien Dreamliners. Er zijn al vier toestellen bij Thomson Airways, nu ook één bij Jetairfly, in 2014 volgt ArkeFly, en in 2015 KLM."

My translation: 'In total, TUI Travel (which is the mother company from Jetairfly) ordered 15 Dreamliners. Thomson Airways already has four 787's, Jetairfly now has one, Arkefly follows in 2014 and KLM in 2015".

Well André, it seems that we were all so busy to follow the flight from OO-JDL on Flightradar and/or at the airport that we've haven't noticed that TUI Travel apparently took over KLM last night (source: De Standaard).

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(the fact that De Standaard still call the Dutch airline Arkefly - and not Arke - could be based upon a bit outdated TUI information)

[Established02]

abc

[sn26567]

Nice pics, established02! And the same for Apuneger for the pics hereunder.

And here my video of the arrival :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGlA1bW-A3M

Thank you for this Sabena320. Very nice

[Apuneger]

Finally had some time to post some of my photos of OO-JDL's arrival on 25L earlier today:











Best regards,
Ivan

[sn26567]

Luc De Wilde (Travel Magazine) spoke live to VRT Radio around 09h00 this morning, so out of OO-JDL indeed.

Luc Dewilde with the satellite telephone in the cockpit:



You can clearly see that there are two jumpseats in the 787.

[Sai]

Another new 'promo'video : "Behind the screens" with some images in- and outside on their youtube Channel. (Dutch only for the moment it seems).


Can't wait for the first tripreport

[sn26567]

La Libre Belgique today wrote two fairly accurate articles about the the JAF Dreamliner (their journalist was also on board of the delivery flight) and gives some additional information:

The 787 had a list price of $176 million, but nobody ever pays the list price. TUI purchased the aircraft for $120 million and resold it one hour after delivery to the Japanese leasing company Yamasa (in a "sale & lease back" operation). The lease price is $875,000 per month.

In addition to the lease, the operational costs include insurance (aircraft insured for its real cost $120 million; damage to third parties insured for $1 billion; and since 9/11 "war and hi-jacking" insurance for $300 million). Total insurance is about 4 to 5% of the total operational costs. Pilots represent 20%...

Jetairfly is not afraid of the arrival of Ryanair in Brussels: "at equal cost customers will always prefer Jetairfly" which includes baggage and meals in the price of the ticket.

http://www.lalibre.be/s/art/52a0038f3570f96638c5d37f

http://www.lalibre.be/s/art/52a0038c357004c37c864429

[RoMax]

The 787 had a list price of $176 million, but nobody ever pays the list price. TUI purchased the aircraft for $120 million and resold it one hour after delivery to the Japanese leasing company Yamasa (in a "sale & lease back" operation). The lease price is $875,000 per month.

Interesting reading, but I wonder about one thing, the list price... 176 million US Dollar? I know prices are climbing year after year, but the current list price for the 787-8 is 211,8 million US Dollar, that's quite a difference. Is that 176 million really the all in price (including the engines, or without engines...makes a big difference as well) or did the list prices really rise that much over the years (in that case it's no wonder airlines make sure they have several options or purchase rights for follow-up orders under the same conditions)?

[sean1982]

La Libre Belgique today wrote two fairly accurate articles about the the JAF Dreamliner (their journalist was also on board of the delivery flight) and gives some additional information:

The 787 had a list price of $176 million, but nobody ever pays the list price. TUI purchased the aircraft for $120 million and resold it one hour after delivery to the Japanese leasing company Yamasa (in a "sale & lease back" operation). The lease price is $875,000 per month.

In addition to the lease, the operational costs include insurance (aircraft insured for its real cost $120 million; damage to third parties insured for $1 billion; and since 9/11 "war and hi-jacking" insurance for $300 million). Total insurance is about 4 to 5% of the total operational costs. Pilots represent 20%...

Jetairfly is not afraid of the arrival of Ryanair in Brussels: "at equal cost customers will always prefer Jetairfly" which includes baggage and meals in the price of the ticket.

http://www.lalibre.be/s/art/52a0038f3570f96638c5d37f

http://www.lalibre.be/s/art/52a0038c357004c37c864429

This made me laugh the non-package holidaymakers have no loyalty to any airline at all, th choose the most convenient and cheap route. And meals are NOT included in a JAF ticket btw

[flymd11]

Aren't meals included on longhaul JAF?

Even Arke includes 1 meal on their longhaul (pay for the 2nd snack service, including for water).

[RoMax]

Aren't meals included on longhaul JAF?

Even Arke includes 1 meal on their longhaul (pay for the 2nd snack service, including for water).

Long haul and Cape Verde Islands is free I believe. The rest can be either buy-on-board or you can order a full meal service (per sector) while booking for 9 euro (I believe) each sector. Though I don't think that's possible on all routes.

When you go on holiday with a package deal, with Jetair you also get the meal service included, VIP Selection has some extras and when booking Sunjets you can make use of the buy-on-board (or possibly decide to add it to your booking already?).

[lumumba]

La Libre Belgique today wrote two fairly accurate articles about the the JAF Dreamliner (their journalist was also on board of the delivery flight) and gives some additional information:

The 787 had a list price of $176 million, but nobody ever pays the list price. TUI purchased the aircraft for $120 million and resold it one hour after delivery to the Japanese leasing company Yamasa (in a "sale & lease back" operation). The lease price is $875,000 per month.

In addition to the lease, the operational costs include insurance (aircraft insured for its real cost $120 million; damage to third parties insured for $1 billion; and since 9/11 "war and hi-jacking" insurance for $300 million). Total insurance is about 4 to 5% of the total operational costs. Pilots represent 20%...

Jetairfly is not afraid of the arrival of Ryanair in Brussels: "at equal cost customers will always prefer Jetairfly" which includes baggage and meals in the price of the ticket.

http://www.lalibre.be/s/art/52a0038f3570f96638c5d37f

http://www.lalibre.be/s/art/52a0038c357004c37c864429

This made me laugh the non-package holidaymakers have no loyalty to any airline at all, th choose the most convenient and cheap route. And meals are NOT included in a JAF ticket btw

They also sell regular seats on there flights!

[sn26567]

Another new 'promo'video : "Behind the screens" with some images in- and outside on their youtube Channel. (Dutch only for the moment it seems).

Now also in French:

[sean1982]

Aren't meals included on longhaul JAF?

Even Arke includes 1 meal on their longhaul (pay for the 2nd snack service, including for water).

Long haul and Cape Verde Islands is free I believe. The rest can be either buy-on-board or you can order a full meal service (per sector) while booking for 9 euro (I believe) each sector. Though I don't think that's possible on all routes.

When you go on holiday with a package deal, with Jetair you also get the meal service included, VIP Selection has some extras and when booking Sunjets you can make use of the buy-on-board (or possibly decide to add it to your booking already?).

Nope meal is only included for VIP selection. Jetair and sunjets bookings pay 9EUR per person per sector.
Only on longhaul flights the meal is included.

[airazurxtror]

Jetairfly is not afraid of the arrival of Ryanair in Brussels: "at equal cost customers will always prefer Jetairfly" which includes baggage and meals in the price of the ticket.

"At equal cost" is the point.
On medium haul, meals cost 9 euros apiece. Baggage allowance is only 15 kg. On top of the ticket price, add a 15 euros administration fee ...
Besides, last time I have flown with them, they didn't have online check-in, I had to queue at the airport desk ...

[sean1982]

On most simulations I did FR is between 50 to 80 EURO cheaper then JAF from BRU (bags included, no meals)

[Passenger]

On most simulations I did FR is between 50 to 80 EURO cheaper then JAF from BRU (bags included, no meals)

This is a quite obvious reply from someone who works for Ryanair.