Ryanair at Brussels Airport

[flymd11]

FR will have to change their policy concerning cancelled flights then

??

[cnc]

should i use some other language?

[flymd11]

No but you could explain what exactly they have change about their policy concerning cancelled flights.

[sean1982]

FR like any other carrier will rebook or refund any cancelled flight and, like any other carrier, complies with EU laws regarding cancelled/delayed flights

[flymd11]

Let’s sum up some of the gems in this topic:

FR passengers are retarded marginals.
FR will put chaos in BRU airport.
FR has no idea of what it’s doing and will be surprised at long taxi times.
FR is not good enough for a “premium airport” like BRU.
FR will have no real impact on SN.

[blanik]

For sure, they can and will hurt brussels airlines.
But consider this,
Why do they change their present ultra-low-fare cost into something more hybrid?
Because ryanair has reached the limit of their ultra-low-fare cost model.

Now they choose to go for another business model , i.e. More easyjet, vueling, germanwings...

But,... They step into another world. They step from the arrogant , no pay, no service model into a model already existing , cheap tickets with service.

I wonder how they can truly transform, because MOL has extensively , for the last 12 years , communicated the exact opposite . Therefore, which passenger will now choose zaventem/ryanair? The one who wants the cheap model? ... Why not go to charleroi then, which will be cheaper than zaventem?

In the end , we already have great low cost companies with service ( easyjet ).

What the hell is ryanair doing?
Leaving their business model.

[sean1982]

What the hell is ryanair doing?
Leaving their business model.

Not leaving it, expanding it to ensure continuous growth.

[cnc]

on my last flights with SN about 85% was coming from or going to transfer, none of those will be using FR on that route.
SN will see a decrease in leisure pax? yea that is for sure but that was also going to be the case without FR at BRU.
so flymd11 anything usefull to say besides "??" or some genius sum up?

[sean1982]

how about "learn some manners"?

some people are really short-tempered today, seriously? What's wrong with you? He was just going into a discussion?

[cnc]

"??" is considered rude as well. 1 question mark is more then enough and i'm not psychic to know what his question is about

[Passenger]

FR like any other carrier will rebook or refund any cancelled flight and, like any other carrier, complies with EU laws regarding cancelled/delayed flights

Indeed, Ryanair complies to the EU law. But what matters for business bookings, are the fees in case a business man/woman has to amend or cancel the booking:

Business meeting is cancelled : no refund

"Government Tax Refund Administration Fee": 20 Euro (this is if a business trip is cancelled: the ticket price then is lost anyway, and this fee makes it useless to ask for a refund of the taxes, although they won't be charged to Ryanair)

"Missed Departure Fee": 110 Euro (this is were a lagacy carrier tells the business man/woman "so sorry you've missed your flight, shall I try to rebook you onto our next flight?")

"Flight Change Fee": from 40 Euro to 90 Euro (this is when the business meeting takes longer then expected)

More fun can be found here:
http://www.ryanair.com/en/terms-and-con ... ableoffees

[FlightMate]

85% are connecting pax? Don't forget these are very low yields, on the european network.
If SN lose all their o/d traffic, that's gonna hurt, for sure.

[FlightMate]

Passenger, you believe legacy carriers rebook your missed flight for free? Possibly if your ticket is in full y or j class, surely not at the cheaper fares.

[quixoticguide]

Let’s sum up some of the gems in this topic:

FR passengers are retarded marginals.
FR will put chaos in BRU airport.
FR has no idea of what it’s doing and will be surprised at long taxi times.
FR is not good enough for a “premium airport” like BRU.
FR will have no real impact on SN.

5 times wrong or like Michael O'Leary says 'It's all rubbish'

[RoMax]

85% are connecting pax? Don't forget these are very low yields, on the european network.
If SN lose all their o/d traffic, that's gonna hurt, for sure.

They are not going to lose all of it. First of all, Belgium is not such a poor country, still relative ok amount of higher-yield leisure passengers that is not going to fly RYR. Secondly, SN currently holds quite an amount of contracts with tourism companies like Club Med and Thomas Cook that supply a certain amount of passengers (besides the charter flights). Another aspect is that SN has stronger relationships with companies (often LH Group related), the EU and other organisations for business traffic.

Will they suffer? Yes, for sure. But it could be much worse. I actually don't understand the 'calm' way of competing by Vueling, easyJet and Ryanair. They could bring SN down to their knees when hurting them on other destinations, not on some of their Southern-European routes. Except for FCO, LIS and VCE, I don't think SN will suffer that much from this. Of course, I don't believe RYR will stop with 10 destinations, so the big problems are yet to come, but SN knew this was comming at a certain moment.

[cnc]

Passenger, you believe legacy carriers rebook your missed flight for free? Possibly if your ticket is in full y or j class, surely not at the cheaper fares.

they also have partner airlines to rebook the pax on in most cases

[sean1982]

FR like any other carrier will rebook or refund any cancelled flight and, like any other carrier, complies with EU laws regarding cancelled/delayed flights

Indeed, Ryanair complies to the EU law. But what matters for business bookings, are the fees in case a business man/woman has to amend or cancel the booking:

Business meeting is cancelled : no refund

"Government Tax Refund Administration Fee": 20 Euro (this is if a business trip is cancelled: the ticket price then is lost anyway, and this fee makes it useless to ask for a refund of the taxes, although they won't be charged to Ryanair)

"Missed Departure Fee": 110 Euro (this is were a lagacy carrier tells the business man/woman "so sorry you've missed your flight, shall I try to rebook you onto our next flight?")

"Flight Change Fee": from 40 Euro to 90 Euro (this is when the business meeting takes longer then expected)

More fun can be found here:
http://www.ryanair.com/en/terms-and-con ... ableoffees

The fun is that in a very short while Flexi tickets and a frequent flyer programme will be introduced. Fun isn't it ?

[flymd11]

They are not going to lose all of it. First of all, Belgium is not such a poor country, still relative ok amount of higher-yield leisure passengers that is not going to fly RYR. Secondly, SN currently holds quite an amount of contracts with tourism companies like Club Med and Thomas Cook that supply a certain amount of passengers (besides the charter flights). Another aspect is that SN has stronger relationships with companies (often LH Group related), the EU and other organisations for business traffic.

The EU and some other IOs in Brussels I am familiar with have a very clear policy: the cheapest possible economy class ticket. Very often that is an LCC. They also have fast declining travel budgets. EU people (and their family) posted abroad used to get an annual trip home in business class, which will become the cheapest possible non flexible economy class ticket from 1 January 2014.

If EU people are traveling on expensive tickets when cheaper and equally convenient options are available, we all should be asking questions since we are all paying it through our taxes.

[sean1982]

http://www.independent.ie/business/ryan ... 74088.html

And more fun passenger

[RoMax]

The EU and some other IOs in Brussels I am familiar with have a very clear policy: the cheapest possible economy class ticket. Very often that is an LCC. They also have fast declining travel budgets. EU people (and their family) posted abroad used to get an annual trip home in business class, which will become the cheapest possible non flexible economy class ticket from 1 January 2014.

There are still the companies and several non-governmental organisations (or not directly financed and not directly controlled like the EU) that don't need to fly the cheapest fare and with which SN (LH Group) has contracts.