Another new B777 for KLM

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 18 Feb 2004, 21:33

Just found @ airliners:
The first picture of KLM's newest B777-200 PH-BQE:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/511861/M/

Btw: the 777 is my favourite bird...

greettzzz

A318 · Post by **A318** » 18 Feb 2004, 21:45

That blue is not going to fit with the french flag I guess

Greetz,

Erwin

AN124 · Post by **AN124** » 18 Feb 2004, 21:51

Does someone know what kind of thing that is below the wing you see at the left side of the picture.

Best Regards,
Yvo

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 18 Feb 2004, 21:53

AN124 wrote:Does someone know what kind of thing that is below the wing you see at the left side of the picture.

In my opinion, it's a fence

I don't know sure, but it looks like a "prikkeldraad"?

greettzzz

B737229 · Post by **B737229** » 18 Feb 2004, 21:55

love these 777s! great aircraft! with or without prikkeldraad

or barb wire

AN124 · Post by **AN124** » 18 Feb 2004, 21:57

Could be some barb wire indeed Jense.

This brings a second question up to my mind.
WHy does someone park a plane this close the bardwires?

Best Regards,
Yvo

A318 · Post by **A318** » 18 Feb 2004, 21:59

That's the fence where you have to put your chain around so your plane will not be stolen

Since bicycles are not big enough anymore they like to steal triple 7's in Amsterdam

Greetz,

Erwin

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 18 Feb 2004, 22:00

AN124 wrote:Could be some barb wire indeed Jense.

This brings a second question up to my mind.
WHy does someone park a plane this close the bardwires?

Best Regards,
Yvo

I guess it's an illusion... If you take a look closer, you may see it... It can be real "hé"... The men, or pilots, who parked the aircraft know how high that wing is... (I guess

)

greettzzz

upperclass · Post by **upperclass** » 18 Feb 2004, 22:19

well well... just have a close look at it... it is a cargo pallet to be loaded (offloaded) and a traffic sign.... as it is parked next to the staff parking lot...

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 20 Feb 2004, 14:27

I like the new KLM colors, and the new triple 7's look quiet good in that! But I find a pity KLM didn't chose the A330/A340.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 20 Feb 2004, 16:32

sab319 wrote:I like the new KLM colors, and the new triple 7's look quiet good in that! But I find a pity KLM didn't chose the A330/A340.

Sab319,

KLM did choose the A330. THey will be delivered in a few years. I don't know the correct date, but I'm sure that all our members from our neighbour country know the answer

Ciao
Chris
8)

bae146be · Post by **bae146be** » 20 Feb 2004, 16:54

The correct delivery date of the first A330-200 is april 2005, the second 330 during august 2005 and the tird 330 sept 2005.
The other 3 will be deliverd during 2006. So, only one year to go and klm has another type of aircraft!

A318 · Post by **A318** » 20 Feb 2004, 22:43

bae146be wrote:So, only one year to go and klm has another type of aircraft!

Excuse me, klm? Air France is adding A330's to her Dutch fleet

Greetz,

Erwin

L-1011 · Post by **L-1011** » 21 Feb 2004, 00:00

A318 wrote:
bae146be wrote:So, only one year to go and klm has another type of aircraft!
Excuse me, klm? Air France is adding A330's to her Dutch fleet

Yes indeed, so that's why they have 777's too

Seriuosly, I think the deals were made way earlier than the first "merger/buyout" talks.

Apart from the MD11 and the Fokkers, what planes does KLM have that AF does not have (and vice versa)

ciao,
TriStar

A318 · Post by **A318** » 21 Feb 2004, 09:57

KLM will take care of Boeing/Fokker maintenance and Air France will do the Airbus fleet. So the only part of KLM that will do good the coming 5 years is E&M (Enginering and maintenance).

Greetz,

Erwin

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 21 Feb 2004, 10:50

From what I believe AF doesn't have the B738 & B739!

And than another thing, why Buying 777's and A332's, I think thats very strange. Wouldn't it be cheaper buying airbus of the same capacity in staed of the triple 7? I believe A A343 or A333 have the same capacity, and it would save a lot of training costs. But thats my humble opinion!

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 21 Feb 2004, 17:44

Apart from the MD11 and the Fokkers, what planes does KLM have that AF does not have (and vice versa)

AF doesn't have any B737NG, KLM doesn't have any B747classics anymore

, KLM doesn't have any A340's , AF doesn't have any B767 anymore. That's it I think

I believe A A343 or A333 have the same capacity, and it would save a lot of training costs

Do you really think that fleet commonality, would save that much money for so big companies, I don't think so.... BTW the A330 doesn't have the same capacity than the B777.

Greetz
Chris
8)

ALM · Post by **ALM** » 23 Feb 2004, 15:36

A318 wrote:That blue is not going to fit with the french flag I guess

Greetz,

Erwin

Don't even go there when the future of the Pride of Holland is at stake and very uncertain !

:shoot: Groupe Air France :pang: for eventually killing the KLM pride.... :dammit:

ALM · Post by **ALM** » 23 Feb 2004, 15:41

sab319 wrote:I like the new KLM colors, and the new triple 7's look quiet good in that!

So do I, but it will eventually succumb to the white of Air France !

:shoot: Groupe Air France :pang:

A318 · Post by **A318** » 23 Feb 2004, 21:25

ALM wrote:
A318 wrote:That blue is not going to fit with the french flag I guess

Greetz,

Erwin
Don't even go there when the future of the Pride of Holland is at stake and very uncertain !

It is there own mistake and also there payback for the way they work with their (ex) employees and how KLM management is taking decisions. I loved KLM but now I hope they will get payback time, it's what they deserve!
Everybody can see Air France is going to eat this little peace of swan meat within 5 years, except Mr. van Wijk and his team. His eyes will open when the french painters enter hangar 14

Greetz,

Erwin