Qatar 787 at BRU as from 01 DEC 2013

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DOH-BRU-DOH will be operated with a B787 as from 1DEC

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 1   QR 196  246  BRU   DOH 2  1000    1825   0 03DEC13 10DEC13 788  6:25
 2   QR 194  1357 BRU   DOH 2  1455    2320   0 01DEC13 17MAR14 788  6:25

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DOH-BRU-DOH will be operated with a B787 as from 1DEC

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 1   QR 196  246  BRU   DOH 2  1000    1825   0 03DEC13 10DEC13 788  6:25
 2   QR 194  1357 BRU   DOH 2  1455    2320   0 01DEC13 17MAR14 788  6:25

Full schedule (dep. and arr.)

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QR 193 DOH 0815 BRU 1325 788 1357
QR 194 BRU 1455 DOH 2320 788 1357
QR 195 DOH 0235 BRU 0745 788 246
QR 196 BRU 1000 DOH 1825 788 246

It will be the first regular scheduled Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner in BRU.

[Inquirer]

Is this a seat capacity upgrade or downgrade? I have the impression the 787 is a little bit smaller than an airbus 330? Or is that just an optical illusion?

[KriVa]

Capacity-wise, it's a downgrade. However, in terms of glamour, I'd say it's definitely an upgrade.

[Inquirer]

I think the glamour has much reduced since all the 787 troubles?

[Unilitha2]

Another 787-8 for BRU !

http://www.air-journal.fr/2013-10-14-qa ... 86942.html

[Bralo20]

Allready posted 5 days ago

http://luchtzak.be/forums/viewtopic.php ... 80#p287402

A downgrade in comfort, number of seats but maybe a little upgrade in terms of prestige... However, given the rate of incidents with the 788 I'm not sure if it's an upgrade in terms of prestige... May well be a big headache in the end. Fortunately there will be a Boeing Gold Care center at BRU eventually for the 787 (think the building itself is near finished?) so if the issues with the 787 keep adding up it will be a money making operation for Jetair/Tec4jets

[RoMax]

The comfort in terms of seat pitch and seat width in Economy, indeed a downgrade. But when talking about IFE, overall passenger experience (in terms of overall feeling of space, bigger windows, beter climate control/cabin pressure,..) and comfort of the more premium seats, the 787 is an upgrade.

[Bralo20]

The comfort in terms of seat pitch and seat width in Economy, indeed a downgrade. But when talking about IFE, overall passenger experience (in terms of overall feeling of space, bigger windows, beter climate control/cabin pressure,..) and comfort of the more premium seats, the 787 is an upgrade.

I have flown once on the 787 before and I agree with the IFE and the cabin pressure and the climate but the 787 doesn't give a feeling of space, contrary, it gives a cramped feeling in economy when the high density layout is used. And the bigger windows are indeed nice but the electric shades aren't to good since they let quite some light through when hit by sunlight. And yes, the premium seats are nice but so are any premium seats these days... Look at the business seats with SN, actually one of the more comfortable seats in business I've ever flown with... And those are installed in the oldest A330's arround.

I'm not convinced that the 787 is better compared to others, it could have been (and maybe it should have been) but it falls short... I'll take a 777 (at least with a normal configuration) any day over a 787 or even an old A330...

Anyway, wrong topic I guess

[RoMax]

I'm not convinced that the 787 is better compared to others, it could have been (and maybe it should have been) but it falls short... I'll take a 777 (at least with a normal configuration) any day over a 787 or even an old A330...

The main reason for preferring 777 or even A330/A340 (and especially A380 and 748i) is the fact that these are larger aircraft. Even with the high density lay-out of the 777, it gives a better feeling of space due to the larger cabin diameter. The A330/A340 doesn't allow for a similar dense lay-out as the 777 and 787, which is a good thing for the passengers (though slightly less flexibility for the airlines).
Except for the current lacking reliability, the 787 is build as an aircraft offering great performance, something which does not always match with superior passenger experience.

This is also confirmed by current 787 users who claim to be very happy with the (fuel) performance of the aircraft which is even better than expected. And this is for the 788 which was seriously overweight initially (and as such performed less than planned in the design, but the fuel performance promised by Boeing on delivery proved to be worse than in reality), the 787-9 is almost on-weight as from the first flying aircraft (ZB001) and has many design changes further increasing its performance over the 788 (which may later see the implementation of these changes as well).
This also results in more orders for the aircraft, despite the lacking reliability, the 787 is not far from the 1,000 mark anymore. Airlines want Boeing to fix the reliability of their aircraft, but believe in a great future for this aircraft once it starts performing at its best.
So airlines will be happy, passengers not that much as Boeing and airlines want them to let them believe.

And yes, the premium seats are nice but so are any premium seats these days... Look at the business seats with SN, actually one of the more comfortable seats in business I've ever flown with... And those are installed in the oldest A330's arround.

True, but it's in the premium seats you can optimaly enjoy the improved cabin design and have a better feeling of space, light, cabin pressure, climate,... as the seat is not the limiting factor in this experience, contrary to the Econonmy classes. So exactly the same seat in a 787 and in a A330 will probably still give a different experience, which would also be the case in economy if airlines would use the low-density configuration (but I believe only ANA has an 8-abreast configuration, in their lowest density international configuration, having only 158 seats, their other configurations go to 222 (international), 264 (domestic and/or regional international?) and 335 (domestic)).