2013 Charleroi airport (CRL/EBCI) latest news

[Boavida]

'Trop is te veel' says Antoine regional minister

http://www.lalibre.be/actu/belgique/pol ... 8368bf73b2

You should read the reactions below the article... Most of them are anti-Flemish...

Great example:

Bravo Charleroi!

Zaventem symbole d'une Flandre en déclin, hélas pour elle.

Charleroi, symbole de la renaissance wallonne!

[Inquirer]

BRU and CRL would better work together, iso fight each other: they can easily be each other's complement, but I get a feeling regional politicians obviously want to show success in their own backyard, even if it comes at a cost to the country that backyard is in.

CRL could be BRU's low cost terminal with its own Runway, and vice versa, BRU would be CRL's premium traffic and connecting traffic location. IMHO, ALL of the public shareholding in Belgian airports should be brought under a single holding company, yet our federal country is a pretty patheticly run place, indeed, where everything is cut up and divided into infinitesimally small mini-kingdoms.

I quite like the idea.
It could be supported by a trainlink CRL- Brussels- BRU- Antwerp- Rotterdam.

That would be the obvious next step, wouldn't it and provided all Belgian airports on that axis are owned by the same company, it would make it much easier to get it done.

There are numerous exemples of companies running several airports within the same catchment area, each aimed at different market segments; it would make sense to do the same in Belgium in order to avoid them competing internally like they do now as this is complete non-sense from a global business perspective.

Nothing to do with not willing to see this or that airport/region succeed, but all the more with getting the most out of our countries infrastructure and its potential for all of us, so let's keep regional politics out of it: if we want to make the best of our ideal location within Europe, we better stop shooting ourselves in the foot like we to often do, just to score a point in our own region.

BTW- I noticed that recently, there was upheaval within Wallonia when Air Corsica announced flights to Liege iso Charleroi, so what goes north-south, also goes east-west, btw.

[Acid-drop]

You should read the reactions below the article... Most of them are anti-Flemish...

Sadly, you can find morons everywhere. Should we talk about them ? probably not.

[airazurxtror]

That would be the obvious next step, wouldn't it and provided all Belgian airports on that axis are owned by the same company, it would make it much easier to get it done.

Surely not ! let the airports compete and be hard rivals, it'll be to the customers' advantage - whilst a monopoly is always to their prejudice.
And, by customers, I mean the end users, those who pay the ticket.

[crlhub]

Belgian tax payers money have been 'invested' in zaventem for more than 50 years...we are still waiting for the first cent to be invested by the flemish region in Brussels Airlines(wal and bru regions did it and help SN to restart operations a few days after Sabena failed)..some people here have a one way memory...or they forget very fast(only what they like to forget).Same remark for the so called diabolo...etc etc

[Passenger]

That would be the obvious next step, wouldn't it and provided all Belgian airports on that axis are owned by the same company, it would make it much easier to get it done.

Surely not ! let the airports compete and be hard rivals, it'll be to the customers' advantage - whilst a monopoly is always to their prejudice.
And, by customers, I mean the end users, those who pay the ticket.

It's not a fair competition because the rules differ.

Noise restrictions for BRU, decided by the Brussels Capital Region, are much severe as those installed by the Walloon government for LGG and CRL. And please, let's not restart the discussion that there are less people living close to LGG and CRL then near BRU. Also around LGG and CRL, people waking up from aircraft noise.

[cnc]

CRL is an easy airport. last time we got parked and checked in for an FR flight in less then 10 minutes. even if both would be even in costs for the airlines is can see why a charter/holiday airline would chose CRL over BRU

[fcw]

It's not a fair competition because the rules differ.

Noise restrictions for BRU, decided by the Brussels Capital Region, are much severe as those installed by the Walloon government for LGG and CRL. And please, let's not restart the discussion that there are less people living close to LGG and CRL then near BRU. Also around LGG and CRL, people waking up from aircraft noise.

Are you telling us Liege and Charleroi are bigger cities than Brussels?

[fcw]

CRL is an easy airport. last time we got parked and checked in for an FR flight in less then 10 minutes. even if both would be even in costs for the airlines is can see why a charter/holiday airline would chose CRL over BRU

Indeed, from Ghent it takes me less time to reach a gate in CRL than it takes me to reach a gate at the A concourse in BRU.

[sean1982]

Now there goes some of you armchair CEO's theory that BRU "doesnt want LCC traffic". The passengers are not "high yield" enough. They dont buy enough and cause only trouble and have no advantages? They have realised the importance of BruAir and there will ban LCC traffic from the airport?

Yet, 1 tiny LCC route moves to CRL and the world is unfair and there is a public outrage. Proves enough that Brussels is more then willing to accept LCC passengers, so possibly also FR.

[Inquirer]

Now there goes some of you armchair CEO's theory that BRU "doesnt want LCC traffic". The passengers are not "high yield" enough. They dont buy enough and cause only trouble and have no advantages? They have realised the importance of BruAir and there will ban LCC traffic from the airport?

Yet, 1 tiny LCC route moves to CRL and the world is unfair and there is a public outrage. Proves enough that Brussels is more then willing to accept LCC passengers, so possibly also FR.

Since you are working for ryanair, I'd hoped you'd understand that when a company publically complains about unfair subsidies and government aid to a competitor of theirs like your employer frequently does, it serves a much greater goal than it only does at first sight as it's predominantly an effort to weaken that competitor on the long run, more than anything else?

As you say yourself, it's just 1 daily route, so this is hardly going to have any material effect on BRU's total result, yet nevertheless they start a public outcry over it? Doesn't make sense now, does it, unless they have taken notice of the positive results Brussels Airlines have obtained from complaining about Ryan Air's operating model at CRL, and now want to launch a similar campaign at getting a more level playing field restored on th ground too, not so much to stop this one route from moving, but with the ultimate goal to see CRL receive zero public funding in say X years from now.
If so, expect BRU to become much more offensive in future and seize every opportunity it can get to put their point of view forward and to make CRL look badly, this case just being the first one then.

Facts are BRU have scrapped their firm plan to build a low cost terminal and is investing tens of millions in the connector building right now: I'd say that speaks more than a thousand words, which are -as I pointed out above- more of a political and strategic nature, than of a commercial nature, IMHO.

[travellover]

Obviously, this is a long term opportunity that both BRU and CRL grow parallel. Each airport in its own segment ! But bringing the binder in a strategic geographic area, still having a huge potential with Brussels as core !
ANR has its own business card to play to the UK or Germany. LGG has its niche freight and charter-LCC trafic. Also does OST.
And as MST, EIN, LIL, LUX or CGN, DUS are continuouasly developping in similar segments than BRU AND CRL, the regional focus is obsolete.

[sn26567]

ANR has its own business card to play to the UK or Germany. LIE has its niche freight and charter-LCC trafic. Also does OST.
And as MAA, EIN, LIL, LUX or CGN, DUS are continuously developping in similar segments than BRU AND CRL, the regional focus is obsolete.

Liège is LGG, Maastricht is MST.

[travellover]

Liège is LGG, Maastricht is MST.

Oops ! corrected ! Chennai (MAA) is a little bit further.

[sean1982]

Now there goes some of you armchair CEO's theory that BRU "doesnt want LCC traffic". The passengers are not "high yield" enough. They dont buy enough and cause only trouble and have no advantages? They have realised the importance of BruAir and there will ban LCC traffic from the airport?

Yet, 1 tiny LCC route moves to CRL and the world is unfair and there is a public outrage. Proves enough that Brussels is more then willing to accept LCC passengers, so possibly also FR.

Since you are working for ryanair, I'd hoped you'd understand that when a company publically complains about unfair subsidies and government aid to a competitor of theirs like your employer frequently does, it serves a much greater goal than it only does at first sight as it's predominantly an effort to weaken that competitor on the long run, more than anything else?

As you say yourself, it's just 1 daily route, so this is hardly going to have any material effect on BRU's total result, yet nevertheless they start a public outcry over it? Doesn't make sense now, does it, unless they have taken notice of the positive results Brussels Airlines have obtained from complaining about Ryan Air's operating model at CRL, and now want to launch a similar campaign at getting a more level playing field restored on th ground too, not so much to stop this one route from moving, but with the ultimate goal to see CRL receive zero public funding in say X years from now.
If so, expect BRU to become much more offensive in future and seize every opportunity it can get to put their point of view forward and to make CRL look badly, this case just being the first one then.

Facts are BRU have scrapped their firm plan to build a low cost terminal and is investing tens of millions in the connector building right now: I'd say that speaks more than a thousand words, which are -as I pointed out above- more of a political and strategic nature, than of a commercial nature, IMHO.

Well unfortunatly in a country as belgium, BRU can shout all it wants about CRL's funding, it aint going to change anything. The regions decide what they do with their budget. Wallonia is highly aviation favoured while Flanders doesnt give a damn. With the rise of confederalism that aint gonna change, on the contrary.

[crlhub]

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[sn26567]

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A small summary, please?

[crlhub]

Sorry no time for summaries,take my informations or not up to you:
Why do we have to translate all news in English?Why don't you accept posts in the three main languages?
We are in Belgium no?
For exemple YUL forum accepts posting in both french and english(english being the second language).
There will always be more articles in NL and FR than in EN as we have bilingual(nl/fr press) in Belgium.

CRL in talks with 12 more airlines according to this paper:

http://www.lanouvellegazette.be/827693/ ... elles-nati

[RoMax]

It is clearly stated that this part of the forum is English only, no problem with sharing non-English sources, but if it is too much effort to give a short summary...

[Passenger]

Why do we have to translate all news in English?Why don't you accept posts in the three main languages?We are in Belgium no?

Forum 7 is for posts in French / in Dutch / in German:
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