Jet Airways out of Brussels

[RoMax]

Finally, aren't we forgetting that QR also flies to BRU (and that there aren't many airports in Europe where both EY, QR and EK are flying to)?

Indeed, EY and QR serve BRU 15 times a week with A330 aircraft and besides EK can serve big parts of the Belgian market through AMS (daily A380), CDG (don't know the capacity, but at least one daily A380 I assume) and DUS (isn't that double daily 777 currently?).

[quixoticguide]

Indeed, EY and QR serve BRU 15 times a week with A330 aircraft and besides EK can serve big parts of the Belgian market through AMS (daily A380), CDG (don't know the capacity, but at least one daily A380 I assume) and DUS (isn't that double daily 777 currently?).

CDG is 14 weekly A380 and 6 weekly B77W
DUS is 14 weekly B77W.

[sn-remember]

@ quixoticguide
At last some positive input !
Business is businees, whatever the origin, the purpose, the carrier, it is everybody's interest to make it blossom at bru.
And too good for challenges and competition.
AMS is the way to go.
BTW ...
Shame SN cannot make it daily to kgl !!!!
bru-kgl-bjm and bru-ebb-nbo should both be daily
As well as so many other afi destinations ...
Shame !!!!

[OO-ITR]

Shame SN cannot make it daily to kgl !!!!
bru-kgl-bjm and bru-ebb-nbo should both be daily
As well as so many other afi destinations ...
Shame !!!!

How do you want them to fill the airplanes if they cannot fill them with the rotations they have now at the moment?
First they have to attract more pax and opening destinations in North America is a way to do that. Later, maybe, they can think of increasing frequencies in Africa. When the pax are there...

[Flanker2]

sn-remember wrote:
Shame SN cannot make it daily to kgl !!!!
bru-kgl-bjm and bru-ebb-nbo should both be daily
As well as so many other afi destinations ...
Shame !!!!


How do you want them to fill the airplanes if they cannot fill them with the rotations they have now at the moment?
First they have to attract more pax and opening destinations in North America is a way to do that. Later, maybe, they can think of increasing frequencies in Africa. When the pax are there...

KL seems to be confident about a daily KGL, and it's not even a former Dutch colony but a former Belgian colony.
SN seems to be very yield-focused, which makes it very vulnerable to competition. They are stuck between the short-term issues and the long term problems. Short-term they need to return to profitability, long-term they need to protect their markets.
Opening destinations in North America, I doubt that that will funnel enough new pax to Africa.

Yet, it seems that SN is reaching saturation with their current operating model in Africa. They can't grow anymore and haven't grown since 2 years. Korongo can help them, but its own expansion is going to take forever and it's not like it's located in the best part of the continent.
They can cover the following network if they have 4 aircraft, plus an A330 (and the traffic rights).

[sn-remember]

@Flanker : what were you smoking last night ?
fbm coupled with lun can work ' 3 weekly A332 (maybe 4)
ANother 3 weekly could be added coupling llw and lun.
Cxion wise, lun offers most of what you display on your wishful thinking map.
fbm is very regional, not very interesting, small small niche market.
And the airpot facility used to be a nightmare... Not sure they can handle night flights.
In my humble opinion, SN is not developing anything since ages and the market you long for is something to create agressively. As I already mentined somewhere, SN is in need -in my view- of 3 nadditional A332/yr at least to make up for the past inertia.
@OO-ITR
If kgl-bjm is not workng daily you can always study some other settings like kgl-bjm (4wkly) + kgl-jro (3 wkly)
Fki or jro but fki is also a very restricted airport with poor infrastructure.
Ebb-nbo daily A332 should work with adequate feeding from *A operators. (like the rest of afi, specially East Afi)
SO 3 dailies to East Africa alone is imo possible NOW ... and urgently requested.
Developing some NA new routes in parallel is of course part of the picture..
What SN lacks is simply a competent management plus significant investment means.
TK management for example -all things being diferent- are doing a fantastic job since 6 years or so.
..
Concerning Korongo I prefer not to comment presently. There is something to be done but ...
Just my 2 cts ...

[LJ]

KL seems to be confident about a daily KGL, and it's not even a former Dutch colony but a former Belgian colony.

KGL and EBB are easy destinations for KL as there is a lot of high yield inbound cargo and there is much Dutch investment in Uganda.

[sn-remember]

KGL and EBB are easy destinations for KL as there is a lot of high yield inbound cargo and there is much Dutch investment in Uganda.

As everybody knows, AMS is a very important hub to the UK and the US which helps feed a.o. the ebb flight.
As mentioned while comparing with AF, KL is traditionally focused on these markets where UK and US carriers are strong.
Kgl on the other hand receives significant feeding from France (AF btw used to serve kgl previous to the genocide) and also from ... Belgium !
KL as a whole operates with very small O/D trafic, around 30%, some flights much less even ... making AMS a huge transit oriented hub.
Inbound cargo adds to profitability sure, but it's nothing specific to ams or kl.
NO, frankly there is nothing specially dutch related to kl succeeding here .. except a very effective hub construction at ams.
However sn used to serve kgl very effectively since ages that"s why I say it's a shame they can't make it daily (which is imo a primary condition to profitability)

[Wohowbagger]

Can someone explain me what the hell 9W (or BRU) got to do with all this AFI-stuff?
Get on topic, please, for the gazillionth time.
Thanks

[sn-remember]

Can someone explain me what the hell 9W (or BRU) got to do with all this AFI-stuff?
Get on topic, please, for the gazillionth time.
Thanks

Thank you to put on the cap of an efficient moderator
I think a true mod would have KINDLY suggested opening a new thread about sn possible future developments ?
A sticky thread who knows ?
Although I am not specially a fan of it, I can't resist discussing market issues, even when they seem wasted.
And obviously I am not the only one ...
Thanks again for your kind suggestion Treeper, you know it had crossed my mind also ! Really

[quixoticguide]

Back on topic is there something yet (jet ) official announced or just speculation?

[LJ]

Back on topic is there something yet (jet ) official announced or just speculation?

The only thing what's known is that 9W requested and received slots for the same amount of flights as at present. Moreover, they've put on hold/returned their slots for AMS, indicating that 9W will serve BRU in W13.

Furthermore, the Indian government doesn't like that EY get too much control over 9W. However, as reported in the Jet - Ethiad thread, it's almost a done deal. The same applies to the proposed increases to AUH and the new Bangalore - Chicago (via AUH) flight. Everything is still pending government approval, thus as long as they don't have this approval BRU is safe.

[fcw]

Furthermore, the Indian government doesn't like that EY get too much control over 9W... Everything is still pending government approval, thus as long as they don't have this approval BRU is safe.

If the the EY deal is not approved, 9W won't survive.
So, I am afraid BRU is doomed

[Established02]

Perhaps the current monetary developments in India also play a role in (not) concluding this deal.

"With the country’s stock market tumbling, the rupee fell further Tuesday. It is down about 15 percent against the U.S. dollar since May — from more than 53 rupees to the dollar to more than 63."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ind ... story.html

[Passenger]

In an interview with Travel Magazine Netherlands (travmagazine.nl), the Benelux manager says that there is no decision yet about AMS replacing BRU as Jet Airways' hub. AMS is surely on their list for nonstop flights, he says, but there are some differences: "Mumbai is very popular for the Belgian market and Delhi is very popular for the Dutch market".

http://www.travmagazine.nl/managementni ... _tijd.html
(Dutch magazine with article in Dutch only)

[Darjeeling]

9W is currently looking for contractor pilots on the 77W, based in JFK as from IATA summer 2014.

They probably look to open a non stop JFK-India route.

9W is loosing more than 100mio $ per quarter at the moment...

[sn26567]

Jet Airways Expands AIRFRANCE Codeshare Service from May 2014

Jet Airways is expanding its planned codeshare partnership with AIRFRANCE, as additional 10 routes being added, starting 14MAY14. Total number of codeshare routes operated by AIRFRANCE increases to 22.

Newly added codeshare routes as follow.

Jet Airways operated by AIRFRANCE
Paris CDG – Amsterdam
Paris CDG – Berlin Tegel
Paris CDG – Copenhagen
Paris CDG – Dusseldorf
Paris CDG – Geneva
Paris CDG – Munich
Paris CDG – Stockholm
Paris CDG – Stuttgart
Paris CDG – Vienna
Paris CDG – Zurich

(Previously reported codeshare routes)
Paris CDG – Barcelona
Paris CDG – Birmingham
Paris CDG – Dublin
Paris CDG – Hamburg
Paris CDG – Lyon
Paris CDG – Madrid
Paris CDG – Manchester
Paris CDG – Marseille
Paris CDG – Newcastle
Paris CDG – Nice
Paris CDG – Prague
Paris CDG – Toulouse

Source: Airline Route

22 destinations via Paris: that's serious competition for Brussels Airlines, who flies to many of these destinations out of Brussels in codeshare with Jet Airways.

[Air Key West]

I'd prefer to have a connection at BRU rather than CDG, however I cannot remember if you may smoke anywhere in transit at CDG (which you may not at BRU, hence the smell of smoke in the toilets ; off toic : when is BRU going to offer "Smoking Islands" btw ?) Being able to smoke when in transit is important to more pax than one would think (I don't smoke).

[LJ]

22 destinations via Paris: that's serious competition for Brussels Airlines, who flies to many of these destinations out of Brussels in codeshare with Jet Airways.

However, 9W reduced BOM-CDG till June 26th from daily to 4 weekly indicating a weak start of the service.

You missed the codeshares on EY which will include AMS and GVA as of mid April (and I think they'll be the first choice given their relationship). Don't know if EY flights to DUS, MUC, TXL and ZRH already carry the 9W code.

[OO-ITR]

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/ ... y-i-status

Will this mean the end of 9W in Brussels, or at least their scissor hub?