Jetairfly third cheapest airline in the world

[sn26567]

According to some figures, Jetairfly is the third cheapest airline in the world, on par with Ryanair, and just after SEAir and Mandala Airlines. It even precedes Wizz Air, AirAsia and Tiger Singapore. Quite a performance!

http://www.tnooz.com/2012/12/14/news/da ... the-world/

[airazurxtror]

According to that article, in cents/mile :

Ryanair and Jetairfly : 4,1
Wizzair : 4,6
easyJet : 7,1
Brussels Airlines : 11,6
Luxair : 22,2

But, as the author says :
The results should also be taken with a grain of salt, since our sampling set is small, no statistical analysis has been performed, and the results may be biased depending upon the types of searches performed on Rome2rio. Also, Rome2rio may not always have access to the cheapest fares.

In my opinion (and experience), Jetairfly is on a par with easyJet rather than with Ryanair.

[BrusselsAirlines]

That's why it is called a charter airline. The flying part is a small part of a holiday package offered by a tour operator which charters the flight.

Ryanair can be called a charter airline as it is chartered by different regions and cities.

Just the same story as to compare ambulance flights with cargo flights. But media and research don't match well these days...

[RoMax]

That's why it is called a charter airline.

Jetairfly is no pure charter airline anymore (that even makes an important difference in the way they work and the certifications they have as a company). They are a commercial airline, 'selling' most of their seats to Jetair/SunJets/VIP Selection (the charter part) with the rest being sold as LCC. As a result all their tickets are being distributed through GDS (that's not really something for an LCC actually, that's more a semi-LCC to full service thing). So they are a kind of charter/semi-LCC.
Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium will make the same transition, from charter airline to commercial airline.

But, ok your point is still quite valid...

[cathay belgium]

Hi,

Hmmm... JAF has a good products but I don't really find the real low fares anymore,already 1,5 year ago since I saw a good bargain...

Guess this is just info for filling some empty pages somewhere because what's the need of comparing base-prices anyway ... :s

Guess Ryanair may win this contest, as cheapest airliner.. with restrictions .. only comparing fares..
Second Wizz and then Easy,SN,JAF,...

CX-B

[BrusselsAirlines]

Why is there a train 10 times a day from one city to another? Why are there cargo vessels cruising from one port to another? Why are there a dozen of flights daily from one major hub to another?

Just to serve the economy. Looking at aviation as a business is the same as thinking about why the highway is there to get you to your work. It's just a SERVICE. Not more not less.

It could save us lots of money to go back to dirtroads but what do we want?

Will Ryanair or Tui fly us 7 times a day year round & on a flexible basis to Munich, London or Geneva & arrange our connections worldwide?

What do we want? A job, a business, an economy?
Aviation is just a service to get us somewhere. At a cost.

[BrusselsAirlines]

I wish JAF and TC all the best if they want to join the regular airline business but I hope they realise that they are starting to play a risky game, certainly in these challenging times.

I can only imagine the difference in lease prices for an older 767 vs a brand new 787 but these babies will need to fly a LOT. This is not even gonna be competition against Bru but competition against Star, One World, etc

Ambition is one thing, reality another. I hope it's gonna be the next big thing these charters selling regular tickets but it's gonna be complicated just to let people know all over the world that you are there doing these few flights...

[RoMax]

I wish JAF and TC all the best if they want to join the regular airline business but I hope they realise that they are starting to play a risky game, certainly in these challenging times.

JAF is doing it already for quite some time and with succes. It's not that things changed that much. They now just have the capability of selling extra seats to people that don't want a package travel. Otherwise these seats would have stayed empty if the touroperaters wouldn't find travelers for it.
They sell these empty seats in a kind of LCC way, but not completely, so that's why I call it semi-LCC.
But they still do the charter flights like they always did it, they are just not (always) called charter flights anymore as they also sell regular seats on them.

It's not that they are suddenly a full-LCC taking over totally new markets. It's just an expansion of what they always did. So they are not going head-on with the alliances and only very limited with the regular LCC's. If JAF doesn't succeed in selling all their 'regular' seats, it's less dramatic than in the case of a regular LCC or full service carrier that can't sell their seats.

And to come back on-topic. Sometimes you can find really cheap deals with JAF, but especially in the holiday period they are not that cheap at all (as there are more charter pax, so they don't need to sell so many 'regular' seats).

[Sai]

Hmm, JAF is almost 1 year a scheduled airline and made even more profit...so I consider it to be succesful.
Hope for TC the same (and also for SN!)
But economy like you say is all about offer and demand. Good management takes this into account and wouldn't let a train or an airplane do 10 times a day a route if it's almost empty just for the sake of it. Because that would be a very expensive and useless way to 'support' the economy...no?
You wouldn't start your own business and persist to produce something you couldn't sell, would you? And if you see you could sell a part in another region (let's say CRL or LGG) were there is a demand you would sell a part of your product there, no? And you would take into account want your neighbour is producing, not producing too much the same.
If SN (and many European airlines) would adapt more to offer and demand and reality, maybe they can start making profit or break-even without the need for support. But that's just my opinion...

[BrusselsAirlines]

That's just my point, should we consider a service as a business on its own?

It's been a good exercise to privatise (clean up) but fi the US has been to extremes on this issue resulting in a completely outdated highway network, outdated airports and a very limited railway network.
Airlines in the US have gone bankrupt several times over the last 10 years and are still there, flying their old material. In the mean time, employees lost their jobs, their pension plans etc., a bunch of consolidations are resulting in one big oligopoli and ticket prices are going up.

Is this good for society, is this good for an economy?

SN proves the point...Sabena went bankrupt, a new lean company emerged that even got a kickstart and even after all the efforts it proves to be unable to make a profit. Even if one day it will, it will always be minor I guess.

What do we want? A centrally located air service that is available for us all when we need it?

JAF is a great private initiative but will we be happy that we will have to fly through Paris, London or Amsterdam to get to Berlin if we need to be there on Monday morning for a last minute meeting?

[BrusselsAirlines]

Good management takes this into account and wouldn't let a train or an airplane do 10 times a day a route if it's almost empty just for the sake of it. Because that would be a very expensive and useless way to 'support' the economy...no?

You certainly have a point.
Often we are only talking about one aspect on these fora; efficiency.
Efficiency can certainly help you to break world records which unfortunatly is not a guarantee to make you a rich man.
Efficiency is just a tool but these days it's become a philosophy on it's own. A great tool for a CEO or a share holder who works on the short term, a disaster for 99% of people who are just trying to follow.

I hope the financial revolution will soon step aside for the next age to come. It's had its time and believers.

Next!

[Sai]

(...)
Efficiency is just a tool but these days it's become a philosophy on it's own. A great tool for a CEO or a share holder who works on the short term, a disaster for 99% of people who are just trying to follow.

Unfortunately this is true...

[airazurxtror]

I have computed the prices that I have paid to airlines in 2012 - in eurocents per mile :

1. Ryanair : 2,15 (58 flights)
2. Wizzair : 2,37 (4 flights)
3. Vueling : 6,63 (2 flights)
4. easyJet : 10,63 (5 flights)
5. Air France : 11,38 (only 1 flight)
6. Germanwings : 15,00 (2 flights)

(it seems that the statistics in the first post are in dollar-cents)

[Mirror]

Another airline following the race to the bottom in T&C for crew and pilots...

[KriVa]

While that may be your opinion, I sure don't follow it.

[sn26567]

Jetairfly is ... a commercial airline, 'selling' most of their seats to Jetair/SunJets/VIP Selection (the charter part) with the rest being sold as LCC.

On some routes Jetairfly acts like a pure scheduled airline. Charleroi-Algiers for example. I'm not sure many passengers are flying to ALG on an organised tour. Most tickets are probably sold individually. Their only competition on that route is Air Algérie from BRU, and the prices are largely in favour of Jetairfly. I had looked into it because I was offered a one-year temporary job in Algiers, for which I wanted to have weekly returns to Belgium during weekends... (but don't worry I declined and I remain at Luchtzak!)

[RoMax]

On some routes Jetairfly acts like a pure scheduled airline.

Yes there may be routes that are sheduled only. But it was just to make the idea clear. Most of the times their flights are charter combined with sheduled, but probably there are also pure charters and pure sheduled flights?

[airazurxtror]

One of their routes is rather unexpected : Toulon-Brest, between the two most important bases of the French navy.

[superfly]

I was first pointed towards their website when in CUN last year. A Spanish diving instructor showed me the cheapest way to fly from CUN to Europe...