The one and only topic on which runway in use @EBBR

[tangolima]

22/01

Arr: 25L and 25R
Dep: 25R

This morning at 09:25 I departed from 20.

Hello

I looked around 16.30LT. Off course runway combinations can change.
Next time I will include the time.

Thanks for the info sn26567
Greetings,

[stefanel]

I'm still puzzled at the RWY in use at EBBR. Right now, wind 070 18kt, and landings are on 02 and not 07L why???

thanks if anyone can answer,

stef

[luchtzak]

I'm still puzzled at the RWY in use at EBBR. Right now, wind 070 18kt, and landings are on 02 and not 07L why???

thanks if anyone can answer,

stef

07L is not a common landing runway.

when wind is coming from the north (-east) runway 02 is used for landings while runway 07R is used for take-off. (07L for cargo sometimes and if not interfering with landing traffic on 02)

[stefanel]

I'm still puzzled at the RWY in use at EBBR. Right now, wind 070 18kt, and landings are on 02 and not 07L why???

thanks if anyone can answer,

stef

07L is not a common landing runway.

when wind is coming from the north (-east) runway 02 is used for landings while runway 07R is used for take-off. (07L for cargo sometimes and if not interfering with landing traffic on 02)

I know 07L is not common but it's the only possibility (or 070 R when visibility is lesser) in case of strong winds coming from the East. In this case, it should be RWY 07 because the wind is strong and not from 040/050 as yesterday for instance.

my question was about the precise calcualtion because it seems to me that it is sometimes random....

[tolipanebas]

Winds are definitely easterly all right, but not particularly strong, though.
At under 20kts from only 50 degrees offset in relation to the runway axis, there really is no reason not to go for the more common configuration of rwy02 with an ILS over a visual line up on the RWY07L really, as that would cut capacity of the airport drastically.
Planes can take a lot more crosswind than what you call strong winds already, you know?
Or how do you think they deal with it at places like LHR or CDG, which have only 2 reciprocal landing directions?
Wind limitations of up to 30 kts FULL cross ( on dry runways) are achievable if needed...

[stefanel]

Winds are definitely easterly all right, but not particularly strong, though.
At under 20kts from only 50 degrees offset in relation to the runway axis, there really is no reason not to go for the more common configuration of rwy02 with an ILS over a visual line up on the RWY07L really, as that would cut capacity of the airport drastically.
Planes can take a lot more crosswind than what you call strong winds already, you know?
Or how do you think they deal with it at places like LHR or CDG, which have only 2 reciprocal landing directions?
Wind limitations of up to 30 kts FULL cross ( on dry runways) are achievable if needed...

I know this, I was talking by experience. There are precise rules at EBBR, although they changed a lot recently, I didn't hear they changed in the last months.
Last year, everytime winds were 070 to 090 as from 12 or 13 knots, they were using 07L for landings and not 02.
I can assure you.
Even one day, I wrote a post in this thread cos it was 070 8knots and they were using 07R (for a short time)...

I'm just puzzled in general cos there are precise standards at this airport which seem not to be applied the same way at all times...

I know that someone in here can explain why.

[stefanel]

Winds are definitely easterly all right, but not particularly strong, though.
At under 20kts from only 50 degrees offset in relation to the runway axis, there really is no reason not to go for the more common configuration of rwy02 with an ILS over a visual line up on the RWY07L really, as that would cut capacity of the airport drastically.
Planes can take a lot more crosswind than what you call strong winds already, you know?
Or how do you think they deal with it at places like LHR or CDG, which have only 2 reciprocal landing directions?
Wind limitations of up to 30 kts FULL cross ( on dry runways) are achievable if needed...

Oh BTW, I once landed at Stansted with FULL crosswinds above 40 knots.
rwy is 23 and wind was 310/320 about 40 knots ! The landing was impressive!

[sn26567]

Strong South-Westerly wind results in the use of single runway 20, expected to continue for the rest of the day. This may cause delays.

Meanwhile it's day 2 of the planned runway works 07L/25R. Works are progressing according to plan.

Source: Brussels Airport

[Tomskii]

20 is in use today.

All morning it was 20 for arrivals & departures. Resulting in very concentrated traffic!

[Tomskii]

And to clear up the winds + times when runways are used: please read below:

Source: * AIP BELGIUM AND LUXEMBOURG AD2.20 PARA 4.2.2
* AIP BELGIUM AND LUXEMBOURG AD2.20 PARA 4.2.3



EBBR Preferential Runway System – All times are local times

Times of runway changeover are subject to flexibility in order to ensure transition in safe conditions.
ATC will operate the changeover as close as possible from the indicated time, taking into account the
traffic conditions.

EXCEPTIONS:
The preferential runway system is not the determining factor in runway selection under the following
circumstances:
1. When the runway is dry or wet and the crosswind component exceeds 15 kt (gusts included).
2. When the runway is dry or wet and the tailwind component exceeds 7 kt (gusts included),
including a buffer value of 2 kt.
3. When the runways are contaminated or when braking action is less than good.
4. When alternative runways are successively requested by pilots for safety reasons.
5. When pilots report excessive wind at higher altitudes
6. When wind shear has been reported or forecast, or when thunderstorms are expected to affect
arriving or departing traffic.

When the wind components exceed the indicated values, a runway more into wind will be assigned.
However, RWY 07L/R will not be used for landing, except when no other suitable runway is available.
In headwind configurations, the crosswind component is not a limiting factor when take-off is conducted

[sn26567]

The last table is not valid during 2 weeks when 25R is being resurfaced. Furthermore heavy winds compel to use only Rwy 20, hence today's difficult situation.

[Tomskii]

The last table is not valid during 2 weeks when 25R is being resurfaced. Furthermore heavy winds compel to use only Rwy 20, hence today's difficult situation.

At this exceptional moment not, but during normal ops yes.

As for the heavy winds:

The preferential runway system is not the determining factor in runway selection under the following
circumstances:
1. When the runway is dry or wet and the crosswind component exceeds 15 kt (gusts included).
2. When the runway is dry or wet and the tailwind component exceeds 7 kt (gusts included),

So it was already said, and winds did indeed exceed a lot.

Tom

[sn26567]

25R runway works received much media TV attention this afternoon: watch VRT, VTM, RTL, RTBF, Ring TV, Télé Bruxelles, Belga TV and/or Canal Z tonight for (maybe) some more coverage.

[galaxy]

Even people in the street asked me yesterday morning anxious why all the airplanes are flying around and why so low ( Herentals neighbourhood).

[Tomskii]

Even people in the street asked me yesterday morning anxious why all the airplanes are flying around and why so low ( Herentals neighbourhood).

Lol I hoped you told em it was a terrorist attack ^^

[sn26567]

Today like yesterday: Since the beginning of the works, and probably for the rest of this day as well, strong South-Westerly winds forced Brussels Airport to use mostly one single runway, both for arrivals and departures: Runway 20.

[sn26567]

No change: today again, works at runway and strong wind conditions force Brussels Airport to the use of single runway at RWY20. This may cause delays at peaktime.

[Bruspotter]

Hello

Nice to see runway 20 being used as well for arrivals these days, it gives nice opportunities however there are not so many good spots for there, mostly pretty close so more close-ups.

@ Galaxy: Yes indeed here in Herentals we aren't used to see many overflying planes for Brussels, occasionaly a few per day is the normal rate, and most of them south of the city, inbound 'Bruno' which is near Morkhoven/Voortkapel and is mostly used for Runay 25L/25R arrivals.
Noticed it also especially on Wednesday and also a little bit on Thursday that during a couple of hours there where many arrivals passing over, although still pretty high (+3000ft at least). Now it's calm here again. Above the airport of Antwerp and between Kessel and Lier it is very busy though as many planes come over to turn on the final approach line for 20 (which lengthened comes out over the East of the city of Lier).

Hopefully weather will keep 'cool' tomorrow so I hav enot too many clouds over there. I might try to go 'out' again after many months of abscence at Brussels airport . Always nice to capture the 20 departures .


Best regards, Yannick

[SN539]

No change: today again, works at runway and strong wind conditions force Brussels Airport to the use of single runway at RWY20. This may cause delays at peaktime.

What do you mean by 'strong wind conditions' ??? Wind is for the timing 230°/9 Kn at EBBR. So 25 should be perfectly suitable for TO and landing. I think the only reason to use rwy 20 is the closure of 25R/07L ...

[EBAW_flyer]

I do not understand why they don't use 25L for LDG and 20 for takeoff iso restricting to one runway.