Charter flights SN

[DannyVDB]

Hi all,

Over the past years SN flew charter flights during summer season. This is not different this year. The difference I see is the type of destinations. While in the past we often saw destinations such as Ajaccio, Cagliari, Alicante, ..., I saw on the BRU website today destinations such as:

SN1735 Firenze
SN1003 Djerba
SN1195 Boekarest
SN1151 Lourdes
This year I also saw Infidha ...

My questions:
Boekarest is a little bit strange since not a real tourist destination ... Any idea on which occasion this could be? Why do they not just add regular flights for Firenze? Is there a list of charter destinations they serve this summer? What are/were the number of flights/pax they fly/flew in 2011?

Please do not start a discussion on the good or bad management of SN. I just want facts and explanations ...

Cheers,
Danny

[airbuske]

There are also charters to PMI, REU/GRO, AYT, AJA , BIA , OLB.
These are charters for Thomas Cook , Jetair, Corsica travel & Club Med.
Most of the flights are quit full but I don't have figures about the pax figures in 2011.

[cathay belgium]

Hi,

I know there are SN charters on saturday to CTA and a flight to TABA .
Strange that they first cut the routes (like CTA only weekly sunday ) and then start flying these full loaded routes as charters ..
Why not fly instead of weekly, two/three times weekly and sell these seats on the holiday-guys ?
Like CTA, it's not mentioned in their flight-shedule leaflet,but the saturdayflight is bookable a day before for 116 euros one-way !
Strange...

CX-B

[CTBke]

this years charters for Brussels Airlines

AGA, AGP, AJA/NTE, AJA, AYT, BIA, CTA/PMO, DJE, FSC/DIJ, XRY/FAO, HER, HRG/TCP, IBZ/MAH, NBE, OLB, PMI, RAK, MXP/CPH, MRS/IBZ, GVA/CAG/OLB, GVA/CTA, REU/GRO, TNG, TLS/IBZ, LYS/BIA

that's all for this summer

[RoMax]

Why not fly instead of weekly, two/three times weekly and sell these seats on the holiday-guys ?
Like CTA, it's not mentioned in their flight-shedule leaflet,but the saturdayflight is bookable a day before for 116 euros one-way !
Strange...

They loose money with several of these flights when they operate them as 'sheduled' flights (destinations like CTA, PMI, ... they tried it, it 'failed' (loadfactor or even ticket price is not a reference to know if they were succesfull, the fact that they stop or reduce the route ís a reference), now they operate charters to these destinations and they bring a lot more money, than it's easy to make the choice...). It's better to just sell them as charter flights (in that case they are sure from their incomes), if there are free seats, they can sell these themself last minute.

[Inquirer]

Wow, extensive program!
How many planes have they reserved for this?
And do I get it right that some of the charters are from other airports than just BRU?
How come they don't have charters from for instance Liege or Ostend, of why not Antwerp (the RJ would be ideal I suppose), if they have charters from LYS or GVA?

[Inquirer]

How do you book a last minute seat on a charter flight?
It could be interesting to know, because I have never seen any reference to this before?

[RoMax]

How do you book a last minute seat on a charter flight?
It could be interesting to know, because I have never seen any reference to this before?

Well I said that in reaction to cathay Belgium, but then I looked in Amadeus and they still show weekly flights on saterday and sunday (in august) to CTA, so that doesn't seem to be a real charter? Or do they combine charter and sheduled? As the frequency seems to be different each month.

And to answer your other question. These charter flights are operated on days that when there are spare aircraft that wouldn't be used otherwise. At least that's what I heard, maybe in bussy periods they dedicate some aircraft that only operate charter flights?

[Ricard]

Besides, TC-Neckermann, Club Med-Sunweb, Jetair-VTB, here some more regular clients for SN-charter :

http://www.corsicatravel.be/
http://www.fram.fr/uploads/file/Compagn ... es2011.pdf
http://www.vtvacances.ch/fr/Nos_vols/
http://www.ruby-rejser.dk/
http://www.suntours.dk/

[CTBke]

In depends.. Most of the time 737 but for HRG A320 and rj for CPH etc...

[CTBke]

charterflights from Brussels;
for Thomas Cook most likely on 737/A319/320
AGP
CTA-PMO
XRY-FAO
HER
IBZ-MAH
LDE
PMI
REU-GRO
for Club Med most likely on 737/A319/320
AYT
DJE
HRG-TCP
NBE
TNG
others most likely on 737/A319/320/RJ
AJA for Club Med and Corsicatravel
FSC for Corsica Travel
BIA for Corsica travel and Jetair&VTB
OLB for Jetair group

charterflights from Ajaccio; most likely on RJ
NTE for Thomas Cook France & Jet tours

charterflights from Figari; most likely on RJ
DIJ for Corsicatours

charterflights from Geneva; most likely on RJ
CAG-OLB for VT-vacances
CTA for VT-vacances

charterflights from Lyon; most likely on RJ
BIA for Ailleurs

charterflights from Milan Malpensa; most likely on RJ
CPH for Royal Caribbean

charterflights from Marseille; most likely on RJ
IBZ for Fram

charterflights from Toulouse; most likely on RJ
IBZ for Fram

[sn26567]

Wow! Nice detailed information. Thank you CTBke!

[CTBke]

you're very welcome

[DannyVDB]

Hi all,

Today I checked again and saw following flights. Most of the destination were mentioned in this topic already. I am a little bit surprised about Bologna though ...
Question is why no having more regular flights to the already flown routes and be able to offer regular SN-tickets? Or is the timing so important: e.g. two flight from Bologna within one hour?

19:42 19:30 SN1086* Bastia
20:00 20:05 SN1018* Bastia
20:18 20:55 SN1022* Figari
21:00 21:10 SN1009* Hurghada
20:56 21:10 SN1010 Hurghada
20:56 21:10 SN1009* Taba
20:56 21:10 SN1010 Taba
21:50 21:55 SN1121* Catania
21:55 21:55 SN1121* Palermo
23:10 23:10 SN1034* Tangier
23:10 23:15 SN1066* Ajaccio
23:15 23:15 SN1120* Olbia
23:15 23:20 SN1006* Antalya
23:25 23:25 SN1082* Olbia
23:45 23:50 SN1734* Catania
09:05 09:15 SN1624* Bologna
09:40 09:50 SN1164* Bologna
10:50 10:55 SN1736* Firenze
11:10 11:15 SN1112* Palma Mallorca
13:15 13:20 SN1004* Djerba

Danny

[sn26567]

Right now I see on flightradar24 that Avro RJ100 OO-DWA is ready to land at GVA, coming from CTA. Flight number is BEL26. I thought charter operations had flight numbers in the 1xxx series. Is it possible to have just a 2-digit number?

[andorra-airport]

@ sn26567

BEL26 is the call-sign. Flightnumber was SN 1126.

[Homo Aeroportus]

You typed faster Andorra

Actually OO-DWA is currently flying GVA-BRU as BEL60D, Flight number SN2720 if I'm not mistaken.

H.A.

[sn26567]

Thanks, andorra-airport. The same aircraft (OO-DWA) comes back to Brussels as a scheduled flight (SN2720), which shows that the charter flights from GVA can be nicely combined with regular flights.