Flanker wrote: Don't think that Brussels Airlines will pass these subsidies on to either their passengers or their flight crew.
Indeed, you can expect the opposite in fact.
Crew salaries will be lowered in order for crew to keep the same nett salary. In ten years time , or at BruAir 2, whichever comes first, the lower gross salaries will stay and this will lead to a lower nett and the crew will be the big losers.
Inquirer wrote:clearly positive stimulus program for Belgian airlines allowing them to compete effectively on a level playing field with foreign competitors.
Perhaps you could explain in what way other competitors e.g AF, BA, etc receive subsidies which have put Belgian airlines at a disadvantage?
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fcw wrote:This is the confirmation that BruAir is indeed on the edge of bankruptcy.
What's that for a bullshit comment. Beeline has had a 80million EUR loss due to investments, this year there are plenty of investments as well which will result in a 20 million EUR loss as well. That's part of the industry, if you invest heavily...
In the country where they are based, which is not necessarily their country of residence - according to the reference above :
Selon les nouvelles règles de protection sociale applicables aux membres du personnel navigant aérien, ceux-ci doivent cotiser à la sécurité sociale et ont droit aux prestations dans le pays où ils prennent et achèvent leur service, c’est-à-dire leur «base d’affectation», plutôt que dans le pays où la compagnie aérienne est établie.
I'm flying for an airline in the north of europe and the we are facing the same problems. We have competion of low cost airlines. But we have to be serious and see who is the losing party.
- in the past the pilots in our company were paid by giving a small salary. Let s say 1000 eu and the rest was paid in a taxheaven were only a small part of dividend tax was paid on the rest of the sum. Lets call it 2000eu. (tax only 10%) So the only social and state tax was paid on 1000 eu and the company was saving a very big part not paying social taxes and still keeping the most of the (naieve) pilots happy because they see a big net salary on their account every month. Off course at the end of your career you as a pilot are left with a very small pension...
So who will be winning with this new rule? They don t go abroad but it the same principle! Beeline yes, but the personnel?
My dear crlhub,
that was a political decision. The flemish government decided to invest 25M€ in Brussels airport, not in an airline. End of discussion.
I have seen many opinions and figures going around in this topic (and in others), 1 question remains unanswered each time. Perhaps you can help since you seem to know much about it.
How much subsidy is given to Ryanair each year in Belgium?
Can you give a breakdown in:
- how much to open a new route
- how much per passenger
- how much for ATC
- how much for ground handling
- others (fuel etc.)
I don't believe it when Michael O'Liar says: no subsidies, nor do a believe André Antoine's figures (apologies for that).
Thanks in advance,
OO-JFP
PS: I have mentioned Ryanair for being the biggest user, I do know that other users can benefit too.
You (and then I mean it in plural) were wrong to start the Flemish/Walloon bullshit in this topic in the first place, now don't feel attacked when people feel agitated because you are just one of many Flemish or Walloon ***holes that tend to bring up the language question of Belgium up in every freaking way possible..
Would help of course if you guys went back on topic and actually made a contribution here instead of flemish people bashing on the walloons and visa versa.
