Quote: "I was Ryanair's slave"

[sean1982]

@pressman: I hear you, they can suffer in winter, but is it not a lot of times a question of balancing spendings? i mean, if they earn 3/4 of their yearly wage in summer, they have to make sure that it is not spend by the end of summer? Also, im here 9 years, I mean, anyone who is in FR as long as me has roughly the same money

@regi, yes off course, we just cover it and when we land, then cleaners come with proper cleaning material

[regi]

@regi, yes off course, we just cover it and when we land, then cleaners come with proper cleaning material

Well dear members, despite Sean knows that not everybody is in favour of Ryanair, if you ask the question normally without insulting, we get a proper answer.

[crlexccrew]

First of all, Virginie you are right,but i didnt pay in 2009 1800 euros for my course, i paid 30oo euros plus all expensives to move to london ( tickets, food, accomodations and my first day in london) and they didnt pay me even the two days of sny.
Also i was in 3 different bases working for Ryanair and i paid for everything even getting the transfer when i was doing a favour to this company.
Being sick at the hospital and calling me to go str8 away to the airport because i had to send via fax the sickness certificate when i had a lungs infection (maybe it was not true for them but for me it was true when i got the bill 712 euros that Ryanair didnt want to pay )
Telling to Sean82, I have never got more than 1500euros, even in summer season, working more than 100 hours (maximun is 90h) and If you take out from this wage uniform, accomodation, taxes, transport, food, grooming and water, food when you are flying because of course we have to pay everything, how much money do you think i can save????? maybe for examiner or INSTRUCTORS is different, I dont know i am just a cabin crew.
I dont know how you defend that much this company when one instructor was fired after 10 YEARS working without anything because he had an accident and he couldnt continue flying.
I dont know if you know about your retiremment, ahh it is true even for instructor no more than 420euros but as you are saving too much im sure you will be ok.
The only thing i know is that for me and my family was also a great day the day i left and fortunatly im working now for a real company that pay me well, give social security, retirement, holidays paid and the rest of the normal thing everyone should get everywhere, cause ryanair contract is not even legal in ireland....
the amazing thing is that goverments and people like you continue defending that piece of SHIT....
For finish, Virginie UN besazo de toda la gente que trabajo contigo y que te conoce xq tu trabajo no puede ser criticado por nadie, sigue asi y cuidate mucho.
T.C

[crlexccrew]

I was working also for that lovely company called Ryanair... i paid 3000 for my course, i paid my uniform, my accomodation in the 3 different basses ive been, my transport, my food and even the water i drink in the ac.
I dont know about instructors, examiners and supervisors or management team, but im sure no even one cabin crew with a contract in the last 5 years get more than 1700. Also i think virginie forgot to mention that sickness or laboral accidents that finish being a unpaid leave forced by the company and all the stupid regulations about going straight away from the hospital to give the sickness report.... Clean vomit?' of course not for what i was paid....but i think after 1 year in this company you star giving a crap about the job in general.. because even if you let your skin to try make it better everyday nobody gives a crap...I need to say CRL was not that bad.. Stn is worst.... but even like this im also so glad to finished with than company and i was also so happy when i resigned after make some reports and give back some of the shit they gave to me. I can say now im working for a real company that pay me well, pay me transport, food, retirement, social security and im paying finally taxes for my pension in belgium. I cannot undestand how someone can defend that when you enter everyday in the crewroom and see the face of your collegues and knowing which is the real situation.. but is not my problem anymore hopefully but dont call liar to one of the few people that have the balls to speak clearly about what is going on.
Virginie un Besazo cuidate mucho. T.I

[airazurxtror]

Don't bother about Tulipanebas, Sean, he is strictly "Brussels hansa" (until such time as Lufty sees fit to keep them) and as such can't bear any competitor, less of all one as dangerous for him as Ryanair.
Keep up the good work, Sean, and don't bother about all of them !

a competitor who receives millions from the walloon governement is not a fair competitor!

Brussels Airlines (or any other airline) would receive the same (legal) amount of subsidies from the Walloon government were it to bring the same number of passengers to Charleroi.
Brussels Airlines recently was invited to come to Charleroi and refused with contempt : Brussels Airlines seemingly does not condescend to fly to provincial airports ...

[fcw]

Crlexccrew, did you, as did Virginie, prefer resignation over a drugtest?

[crlexccrew]

no i left because i get bother when they just make me go to the hospital straight away to give a fucking doctor certificate having a week of sickness, even with the plasters in the hands, after pass a lungs infections... for that and for after 2 years having good reports everywhere and give to that company everything i could without open my mouth never i just realize you r just a number for them... come on, they fire an instructor after 10 years cause he has an accident and he could not flight anymore without even tell him thank you and without give him any other option to continue with them. When i had that problem i just speak following all the procedures and nobody listened to me so i find something else (i apply even for the zara) and i quite. Drug tests has nothing to be with my decision, it was just the treatment i received... but thanks for ask because everyone think that in crl the people that left was just becuse they are just junkies but there was a lot of people that was for another reasons... i dont think more than 70 people in 6 months left just because of that, dont you think there need to be something else????

[OO-ITR]

Don't bother about Tulipanebas, Sean, he is strictly "Brussels hansa" (until such time as Lufty sees fit to keep them) and as such can't bear any competitor, less of all one as dangerous for him as Ryanair.
Keep up the good work, Sean, and don't bother about all of them !

a competitor who receives millions from the walloon governement is not a fair competitor!

Brussels Airlines (or any other airline) would receive the same (legal) amount of subsidies from the Walloon government were it to bring the same number of passengers to Charleroi.
Brussels Airlines recently was invited to come to Charleroi and refused with contempt : Brussels Airlines seemingly does not condescend to fly to provincial airports ...

And why would Brussels Airlines have another hub in small country like Belgium. Without feed from its Star Alliance partners???
please. This is a no brainer

[fcw]

Don't bother about Tulipanebas, Sean, he is strictly "Brussels hansa" (until such time as Lufty sees fit to keep them) and as such can't bear any competitor, less of all one as dangerous for him as Ryanair.
Keep up the good work, Sean, and don't bother about all of them !

a competitor who receives millions from the walloon governement is not a fair competitor!

Lets stay on topic gentlemen!
OO-ITR, you better keep quiet about illegal subsisdies, unless you want to open a can of worms. Witholding pension contributions from salaries and not transferring them into the pension fund is the kind of transactions the EU don't like!!

[OO-ITR]

Don't bother about Tulipanebas, Sean, he is strictly "Brussels hansa" (until such time as Lufty sees fit to keep them) and as such can't bear any competitor, less of all one as dangerous for him as Ryanair.
Keep up the good work, Sean, and don't bother about all of them !

a competitor who receives millions from the walloon governement is not a fair competitor!

Lets stay on topic gentlemen!
OO-ITR, you better keep quiet about illegal subsisdies, unless you want to open a can of worms. Witholding pension contributions from salaries and not transferring them into the pension fund is the kind of transactions the EU don't like!!

Who the hell are YOU to tell ME I have to stay on topic dude???
stay on topic yourself!

[andorra-airport]

a competitor who receives millions from the walloon governement is not a fair competitor!

I can see your point that you are not happy that an airline is heavily subsidised, but I don't see it as unfair, because the competition can profit from it too (which they don't, for different reasons).

Oh, and is it Caps Lock day today? Please stay calm here, guys!

[regi]

Well, interesting subject. At last we read some statements from ex employees. Is this a lack in the labour contract that ex employees are also forbidden to speak out even after they left the company ?
Drug test: ridiculous. Some prescribed medicins give positive drug tests as well.
Look at caughing syrop: it contains sometimes small doses of methadon. Oops, there goes your dream job in the sky.
Typical about drug tests is that they show the presence of some residues, but not the back ground. ( quantity, time, medical or not )
Cannabis residues can be traced up to a year in a hair.

Interesting to read that the contract is not according Irish legislation at all ! Meaning: if somebody would be fired he could go to a Irish court and get his rights.

But Ryanair is not alone in this. It is quite common in the travel/leasure industry. The bosses/owners know that zillions of young people want to combine job with fun. Ski instructors, Club Med G.O., dive instructors in Egypt, Dominican or Phuket. And I have known people who worked as local trouble shooters for Neckermann and returned home after 10 years with 2000 € on their bank account. Neckermann used to employ its personnel under Swiss law. Same kind of rubbish. ( and I don't even tell you the labour rights of the animators in my hotel at Djerba )
And a family member of me who was stewardess for Emirates had to escape the country , being sexually harrassed by a local hotshot prince.
In the end, those companies profit from the attraction of the job. And they lure young , unexperienced people. If they leave, 10 stand ready to take their place.
And...we customers want to pay as little as possible.
Maybe silly question to Virginie and other dissatisfied ex employees of Ryanair: you don't fly never ever again with them I assume after such a bad experience?

[Darjeeling]

This company is a big patch of s*** in the European sky. You can't compare it to anything else in the world, even a LCC in India or the Philippines.

They are real gangsters and I wish them all of the possible bad luck on the of those days. They can end up in hell it'll all be fine for me.

What a disgrace really. And some dudes here dare defending that "company".

Makes me sick, but I assume they must be spotty 13yrs youngsters who still have to learn everything in life.

[airazurxtror]

This company is a big patch of s*** in the European sky.
They are real gangsters and I wish them all of the possible bad luck on the of those days. They can end up in hell it'll all be fine for me.
What a disgrace really. And some dudes here dare defending that "company".
Makes me sick, but I assume they must be spotty 13yrs youngsters who still have to learn everything in life.

Most amusing !

[regi]

This company is a big patch of s*** in the European sky. You can't compare it to anything else in the world, even a LCC in India or the Philippines.

They are real gangsters and I wish them all of the possible bad luck on the of those days. They can end up in hell it'll all be fine for me.

What a disgrace really. And some dudes here dare defending that "company".

Makes me sick, but I assume they must be spotty 13yrs youngsters who still have to learn everything in life.

OK Darjeeling, that is your personnal reaction, fine. But it doesn't help anything to get the other side in the discussion. It is counter productive.
We got Sean that far to give some figures. But I doubt that we will receive any normal response on your outburst. If I was Sean, I would not.
Btw, I wonder how hell would look like for MoL: a coin operated toilet with euro's , while he has just some pounds £ in his pocket

[B.Inventive]

Let me just add the following.

There is much injustice in this world. One day I was inclined I could help solve this by complaining about it.
In more recent times I had to come to the conclusion there simply is no solution anymore as we live in a much too differentiated world. Politicians are very good at keeping it all divided so we battle each other rather than the 'system' which in itself very flawed. (capitalism is bad!)
So I went that step further and my conclusion was simple. I take my own decisions and do not regard any country to be 'my' country. Don't like it. Leave.
Concerning this discussion. Happy for Sean he is having a good time at RYR, too bad for Virginie but honestly... when you apply chez RYR you know what you are up against. You decide your life.

There is much injustice in RYR's presence in belgium. Some people believe they 'create' jobs, this is true but can you prove to me these jobs wouldn't exist in another sector if RYR didn't exist to take them up?

Anyhow it's a f*cked up situation we are all in right now, and we better focus on getting out of it. Be it individually or as a group...

Cheerz

[regi]

hold on, slow down a bit. It is not that bad at all in Belgium. Simple statistic: we have more influx of foreigners than original Belgians leave the country. And even better: non-original Belgians do prefer to stay in Belgium when retired and don't go back to their mother/fatherland.
We do still have pension plans, health care, state support for the poor, free job training ( which you don't have to pay, and where you don't have to pay for a uniform ) , 13th and sometimes even 14th extra month income, early retirement, holiday pay ( now 95% of the world suddenly turns their head to Belgium:" what? Money to go on a holiday?"), child support ( don't tell the Bengali that we get money to produce children ), sick leave, maternity leave also for fathers and so on.
We have enforced alimony for the children and ex's, so that empoverished women don't need to enter dreadful extortion shemes as prostitution.
A speeding ticket cannot be arranged by some pocket money in the hands of corrupt policemen.
We have no military coups.
A foreigner can buy land in his own name and sell it again.
We hardly hear about food poisoning because all catering is very well controlled.
Our postal system delivers your letter the next day , even at the other side of the country.
And if you want a decent job, just go to the job centre and the next day you can start, without making a exageration. If have here a son at home who picks his jobs between his hobbies. All with a Belgian contract and without hidden tricks.

[globetrotter]

Seems true watch this documentry http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/ryanair-caught-napping/

[Squelsh]

Reason why I took the trouble to translate this article was to point out that low prices have to be compensated somewhere down the line. In casu, a light is shed on the Human Resources and Recruiting procedures. Found it to be quiete interesting, especially certain numbers like the ratio non-BE vs BE stewards. Also assumed wages wouldn't be very high, and the 800 euros mentioned seemed exagerated to me. Can't be that bad, not saying I expected much more, but still..
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It is only one of the many controversial subjects when we discuss this company, whether it is subsidising or their conditions of carriage. Alot has been written about it already and indeed as mentioned, we can only be glad to have a few insiders and ex-employees here to discuss how trustworthy this inter-view on their HRR-machine is. So please let's try to keep on that track.
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When we see fares of eg 10euros for intereuropean flights pass by, we all -or so I hope- become more critical towards how the whole machinery behind it works. The human aspect was the only reason to post, I have nothing against this company, must admit I think it's smart business.
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edit: Thanks for posting that vid, v interesting

[airazurxtror]

When we see fares of eg 10euros for intereuropean flights pass by, we all -or so I hope- become more critical towards how the whole machinery behind it works.

When I see a 10 euros flight that is of interest to me, I grab it swiftly : it won't be on offer for long, as many others are ready to pounce on it !
As far as is known, Ryanair has a valid AOC - and the "whole machinery behind it" is none of my business.
What I am critical of is the fact that the legacy airlines dare charge 250 euros or even more for a similar flight, and still manage to be in the red or just at the limit.
(If it can solace you : there are not many 10 euros flights to be had any more at FR).