Why a name on the ticket ?

[earthman]

The Schengen ID-check that I was talking about is simply a security guard taking a glance at your ticket and ID.

During boarding they scan/read your boarding pass and take a glance at your ID, presumably to see if it matches the boarding pass, but the ID is not checked by a machine. I don't know how this works with self-service boarding (where you scan your boarding pass yourself). The whole check doesn't appear to be very thorough anyway.

[Squelsh]

Below package-for-airports is an interesting one for this kind of routines. Wonder how it will evolve.
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Via Reuters: "Software developed for closed-circuit television systems can identify individuals and track them across entire networks of cameras." Joel Flynn reports.

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Gets interesting as from 0:17. - Pauze at 0:41 to see airports as target-customer - 1:15 interesting closeup - 3:04 interesting plugins for the software

[Tomskii]

Border control still checks your ID card + boarding pass (quick check) so don't see what the issue is?

[Squelsh]

Faster security screening offered for a fee at SFO
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1N10K6.DTL
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Still a name on the ticket, for now..
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Frequent travelers who use San Francisco International Airport once again will be able to get through security a little faster with the return of a fee-based pre-screening program approved by the Airport Commission Tuesday.

The CLEAR program, operated by a private company, Alclear LLC, will allow people to move to – or near – the front of the line to get their carry-on items screened. It will allow them to bypass the regular first tier of security where travelers must provide a driver’s license or passport to a Transportation Security Administration employee and instead use an automated kiosk.

“It provides predictability in getting to the front of the line and getting through clearance faster,” said SFO chief John Martin.

Participants must pay a $179 annual fee for the special treatment. Spouses or domestic partners can be added on for an extra $50, and their children 17 years old and younger can join for free.

Under the program, the company verifies the identity of participants and creates a card embedded with a digital chip that includes the biometric images of the person’s unique fingerprint and iris.

When they arrive at the airport, they insert their card into an ATM-like kiosk, scan either their eye or finger, and if there’s a match, are escorted by a CLEAR employee to the front of the next checkpoint line where carry-on items are searched.

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Via: SF Chronicle

[earthman]

Step 1: Introduce long and slow security procedures
Step 2: Charge money for bypassing said procedures
Step 3: Profit!

Amazing, there is actually a clear step 2!

[regi]

Is it normal that I as a common citizen feel unconfortable that an action - not a service - conducted according government safety rules is becoming a commercial affair ?
Who prevents companies, who do the security checks, to make the normal check so long and stressful that passengers fork out more money for a easy check?
So this is not more about safety, but about money. Right?

[earthman]

It never was about safety to begin with.

[regi]

It never was about safety to begin with.

so it all about the money?

[Squelsh]

The coca-cola company and Pepsi making some good money when people need to buy new drinks after theirs has gotten tossed in the bin by the security. If you then check these corps their contributions to certain politicians.. Saw a "way out there" docu on this subject with some fun calculations on soda-sales.
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The main thing that bothers me about the whole security issue as described in last article, is that, apart from the you-got-money-so-get-better-quality-legislative-procedure, it creates a pretext for fingerprinting, Iris-scanning and even, what is this.. biometric image.. for travelling. Before we know it we will accept it as a requirement to give away this kind of very personal data, just for a method of safe travelling, of free movement. I agree that security is needed, but this is a nice pretext for more. Knowing that the TSA is setting up security checkpoints in busstops and trainstations in various US cities, -again- the whole picture bothers me.
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Same for the bodyscanners. TSA communicated that they would not save the scanned data to a database. Yet not so long ago, it was admitted that they do keep he records -all neatly matched with boarding data of the scanned victim body-. The perfect plugin to run on video surveillance systems.
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It's a difficult subject I guess..

[ExSabena]

I was also surprised few weeks ago. I checked in with Brussels Airlines for a Brussels Venice. My ID was not checked at check-in. I passed the "immigration" with my boarding pass and when I boarded the airplaine, my ID was not checked.

Result : I could fly with the ticket of another person without having probles at all. Strange ....

[earthman]

You don't know that. Perhaps they tested some new technology on you, so they already knew who you were and that you were in fact the rightful owner of that ticket.

[regi]

You don't know that. Perhaps they tested some new technology on you, so they already knew who you were and that you were in fact the rightful owner of that ticket.

Yeah, I think that he even did not fly at all, but got a electronic device working in his brain implanting the memory of a great time at Venice.
Well, one way to save on fuel.
Next time you book a flight, scroll to the bottom of the page where there is noted "virtual or real flight?"

[earthman]

Back to the ID check, at MUC when using the self-service 'quick boarding' passage at the gates, there is no ID check. I don't know if there is an ID check when entering the airport, I was just transferring there. But it's certainly possible to fly using someone else's ticket. You could create your own fake internet (or mobile, for that matter) boarding pass for an existing flight that day, go to the airport, steal someone's boarding card (and presumably knock the person unconscious and hide them somewhere), and fly away.

[regi]

Back to the ID check, at MUC when using the self-service 'quick boarding' passage at the gates, there is no ID check. I don't know if there is an ID check when entering the airport, I was just transferring there. But it's certainly possible to fly using someone else's ticket. You could create your own fake internet (or mobile, for that matter) boarding pass for an existing flight that day, go to the airport, steal someone's boarding card (and presumably knock the person unconscious and hide them somewhere), and fly away.

I have flown at least on 3 occasions on somebody else his ticket, forwarding the pasport of the other person during check inn, and nobody saw the difference.
Somebody else has used my pasport similary for 2 times .
The reason for this was mostly that our pasports were over due . There have been other reasons as well.
In one case it was even just a bet - which I won - getting the ticket for free.
Illegal? Maybe. But I can't be punished because it happened some years ago, in non-European countries.
Btw, there is a bet on to pass immigration where they have those camera's. Some guys are just comparing themselves a bit, to see if they can trick the system. The theory behind is that the system does not work properly, and a report would be sent if it has succeeded. I keep you informed.

[Treeper]

I did BRU-ZRH-MXP-ZRH-BRU on 18th January 2012.
BRU: boarding pass for 'immigration' and gates, no ID asked
ZRH: boarding pass
MXP: boarding pass + ID
ZRH: boarding pass

the Italians were suspicious and asked for my ID.
my panini @ MXP looked suspicious too. still, I was hungry and just ate it.

[regi]

my panini @ MXP looked suspicious too.