Ryanair : just ONE toilet on each plane.

[galaxy]

Airline's plan would make space for six extra seats
Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary argues move 'would fundamentally lower air fares by about five per cent'
The airline's longest route route from UK is service to Rhodes in Greece which takes four-and-a-half hours

Move would see 200 people on flight vying for access to sole lavatory.





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1afCCSThg

[Stij]

For the newer members:

And another round of free publicity for FR! Well done MOL, the journalist who wrote it down should be fired as he didn't cross check what was being said.

A 737-800 can only accomodate 189 pax and not a single one more because of the emergency exits(Sean, correct me if I'm wrong). And FR can't change that numer.

Kind regards,

Stij

[DeltaWiskey]

Well, they can also introduce pee bags (inspired by the dutch railways), that leaves even more room for seats...

[SpottairBRU]

And another round of free publicity for FR! (...)

A 737-800 can only accomodate 189 pax and not a single one more because of the emergency exits(Sean, correct me if I'm wrong). And FR can't change that numer.

Our minds must be connected, I was about to write the same thing

Furthermore, I am maybe wrong, but if the only toilet of an airplane would break down for any reason, wouldn't it be a cause to ground the plane until it's fixed? Isn't it mandatory to have at least one toilet "workable"? Increasing the risk of having a plane grounded (and all its following costs) for such a cause, is it worth it? Just a thought...

I know, I know, I shouldn't pay too much attention to free publicity stunts... but I can't help find all possible rational arguments against such ideas... Ryanair, the airline I love....................... to criticize!*





*which doesn't prevent me to fly with them from time to time... fully aware of what I do by agreeing on their T&C's

[stratofreighter]

Well, they can also introduce pee bags (inspired by the dutch railways), that leaves even more room for seats...

http://www.telegraaf.nl/reiskrant/10712 ... html?p=2,2 ...

Michael O Leary indeed knows how to get free publicity...

[DeltaWiskey]

Furthermore, I am maybe wrong, but if the only toilet of an airplane would break down for any reason, wouldn't it be a cause to ground the plane until it's fixed? Isn't it mandatory to have at least one toilet "workable"? Increasing the risk of having a plane grounded (and all its following costs) for such a cause, is it worth it? Just a thought...

No it isn't. Airplanes are allowed to fly without any working toilet, it doesn't affect CoA.

Just another remark, how can a 3% increase in seats translate into a 5% lower fare?

[regi]

Seems that Ryanair missed that story of Gerard Depardieu.

[sean1982]

A 737-800 can only accomodate 189 pax and not a single one more because of the emergency exits(Sean, correct me if I'm wrong). And FR can't change that numer.

Correct, unless they have more emergency exits fitted to the plane, but I can't see that happening. MOL should be ignored people

[earthman]

Seems that Ryanair missed that story of Gerard Depardieu.

Oh you are so wrong, it's quite the opposite in fact.

[earthman]

Well I can see a business case of having one free lavatory on the plane and one that you have to pay for.

[regi]

Seems that Ryanair missed that story of Gerard Depardieu.

Oh you are so wrong, it's quite the opposite in fact.

Man, great that you saw that add...
what a coincidence.

Wonder how much GD received because his name was used in a commercial...

[Oansis]

And another round of free publicity for FR! (...)

A 737-800 can only accomodate 189 pax and not a single one more because of the emergency exits(Sean, correct me if I'm wrong). And FR can't change that numer.

Our minds must be connected, I was about to write the same thing

Furthermore, I am maybe wrong, but if the only toilet of an airplane would break down for any reason, wouldn't it be a cause to ground the plane until it's fixed? Isn't it mandatory to have at least one toilet "workable"? Increasing the risk of having a plane grounded (and all its following costs) for such a cause, is it worth it? Just a thought...

I know, I know, I shouldn't pay too much attention to free publicity stunts... but I can't help find all possible rational arguments against such ideas... Ryanair, the airline I love....................... to criticize!*





*which doesn't prevent me to fly with them from time to time... fully aware of what I do by agreeing on their T&C's

About the break down for any reason, that was also my first thought... maybe they can introduce standing places at the place where the they'll remove the toilet I'll fly Brussels Airline or whatever other good airline.. and I don't care if I have to pay a little bit more, if I can relax on the plane, and not feeling like being a fish in a box!

[cathay belgium]

Hi,

When do people finally understand that all this FR-crap is just cheap advertisement worldwide..
MoL is a master in these tricks, and he's a very good CEO for FR !

For the most routes offered by FR I don't care about sitting in a FR box ( SN bLight isn't that better even when you put on some headphones - short routes 1/1,5h only ) and when you'll travel handluggage and you compare fares FR isn't bad at all..
But with luggage and time to book in advance people must agree SN will be cheaper most of the time..

What SN needs is a good PR bureau, so that people knows there's a real alternative instead of FR without the games on board,without the bell ringing after landing,etc...

But SN fails until now.. young people don't look for fares.. they just book Ryanair, thé low fares airline, just because they all believe this,and because the're in the news most of the time..

When was the last thing you heared something about SN ? vulcanic eruptions? Korongo ?
Who cares about this,.. it's already forgotten but FR ... makes moves to lower fares.. (even it's just crap as we know )..

So I prefer SN but I won't hesistate to use FR again when their fares are lower for a 2day trip without luggage..

CX-B

[cnc]

What SN needs is a good PR bureau, so that people knows there's a real alternative instead of FR without the games on board,without the bell ringing after landing,etc...

But SN fails until now.. young people don't look for fares.. they just book Ryanair, thé low fares airline, just because they all believe this,and because the're in the news most of the time..

When was the last thing you heared something about SN ? vulcanic eruptions? Korongo ?
Who cares about this,.. it's already forgotten but FR ... makes moves to lower fares.. (even it's just crap as we know )..

i guess its just me but the last 2 years i see a lot of SN advertisement online and in the city streets

[cathay belgium]

cnc,

Indeed you see some posters in the streets, banners at trams and stickers at baskets at check-inn/control posts but what I meant was... people see them but are these noticed ?
When MoL says,standing seats,toilets,media get it..
I know it's not that easy but more specific campaigns do work by some :
remember some actions of JAF/Thomascook, free seats when you show up being painted/clothed/wedding dressed, flights for handicapped /young /poor people / starwatchers or so..
( I know these aren't remembering items also but at least you're picked up by newspapers/news broadcasts/ (red carpets -rode lopers haha )
More humour in posters or even shocking.. let people talk/discuss about campaigns.. (cfr. benetton so on.. )

Okay there are posters every single month but until now not even 1 campaign I still remember..
( even I have a prefered view on it haha )..

Hope I cleared up my point of view..

But out of topic now ,.. sorry..

CX-B

[airazurxtror]

Indeed you see some posters in the streets, banners at trams and stickers at baskets at check-inn/control posts but what I meant was... people see them but are these noticed ?
When MoL says,standing seats,toilets,media get it..

It's not the actual message that is remembered, but the general meaning : one is led to believe that Ryanair and its boss try to compress the costs by every possible means in order to offer the lowest prices.
True or not, that is the general feeling amongst the public.
What is remembered of Brussels Airlines announcements by those who are not air travellers ? Nothing, I am afraid.
Adding to that, the Ryanair website is easy to use and speedy. Which is more than can be said of Brussels Airlines'.

[cathay belgium]

Hi,

It's not the actual message that is remembered, but the general meaning : one is led to believe that Ryanair and its boss try to compress the costs by every possible means in order to offer the lowest prices.
True or not, that is the general feeling amongst the public.

That's just what I wanted to say..

Adding to that, the Ryanair website is easy to use and speedy. Which is more than can be said of Brussels Airlines'.

Sorry,don't agree.. it's different, but with FR you'll get a clearer result of the flights,
but this is just because FR has lesser frequencies to offer...
Or it's just what you' re used to use..
FR website is good,but all the extras check-inn fee,other fee and payment fee are really a bugger IMHO..
What annoys me the most at SN's site, is that when you choose a flight sometimes prices go up on the next level/stage of booking without info.. reductions,taxes,and so on..
Looking for real bargains is time-eating on both sites..
But this is the same with others carriers,.. looking for a nice cheap flight cost you a lot of time ..

CX-B

[airazurxtror]

What annoys me the most at SN's site, is that when you choose a flight sometimes prices go up on the next level/stage of booking without info.. reductions,taxes,and so on..
Looking for real bargains is time-eating on both sites..

As for me, on the fisrt page at SN there is no rolling destinations nor rolling calendar for the dates of the flights.
I have to type the destination and the dates : XX/XX/XXXX
On the second page, I have a "choose your destination" and mercifully here the rolling works.
Maybe there is a bug in my PC, but that bug does not interfere when I book on other sites : Ryanair, Germanwings, even Air France.

At SN, the price of a flight varies according to the time of the return flight !
Exemple just experienced (first flight in the morning, last one in the evening each day) :
BRU-FCO on 9/11, FCO-BRU on 16/11 : 65+69 = 135,95 euros
BRU-FCO-BRU on 9/11 or on 16/11 : 277+293 = 568,60 euros
Thus, the price of the same flight can vary from 65 to 277 euros !

At FR, the price of a flight is the same however early or late the return flight.
(Incidentally, the CRL-CIA-CRL is priced at 32,98 euros at the same dates)

[cathay belgium]

Hi,

The rolling dates and desti's works fine here.. but the big 'problem' is you're next reply..
prices changes while choosing your flights/dates.. indeed this sucks.. but guess that's part of their business-model.. but it hurts cheap fares searchers as us.. haha

CX-B

[regi]

What annoys me the most at SN's site, is that when you choose a flight sometimes prices go up on the next level/stage of booking without info.. reductions,taxes,and so on..
Looking for real bargains is time-eating on both sites..

At SN, the price of a flight varies according to the time of the return flight !
At FR, the price of a flight is the same however early or late the return flight.
(Incidentally, the CRL-CIA-CRL is priced at 32,98 euros at the same dates)

SN is typical such an airline where you pay more for specific ideal combinations: same day return flight for example. They know how much a company is willing to pay for that service.
Personnel gets bonuses for overnight stay overs, extra hotel costs, extra transfer costs ( what is the fee of a cab central Milan to Malpensa )
A middle level manager will keep his mouth shut when he did a early flight in the morning ( get up around 4 am) - stressfull meeting - evening return ( back home around 23h00 ) . And the next day report back at the office at 8 AM. Powerpoint presentation at 9AM.
Time is money.
Hold on a second: was the subject again?