BRU-CDG at risk?

[RoMax]

yes but if you check the time schedule on RailTime's website, you can find out that there will be a connection between Paris Nord and Bru without having to change trains...and this from Oct 30th onward.

Yes but that only means Thalys will start services to/from BRU together with SN. That doesn't necessarilly mean SN will suddenly stop flying to CDG.
Altough I expect with the 3 B737's to leave this winter, there is a high chance we'll see these flights end in the winter (or maybe reduced to 1 daily). It doesn't mean that there are now still 2 daily flights loaded that they will effectivilly be operated this winter.

[sn26567]

if you check the time schedule on RailTime's website, you can find out that there will be a connection between Paris Nord and Bru without having to change trains...and this from Oct 30th onward.

Only one train arriving rather early (08.12) in BRU. Barely OK for the first wave to Africa, but a long wait for the second wave. This might justify maintaining the later flight out of CDG!

[brusselsairlinesfan]

I don't see brussels airlines operate both air & rail services on the PAR-BRU leg... Maybe a bit too complicated for the PAX (I can already see people arriving at CDG with a ticket for Thalys and also the contray at Paris-Nord station...).

[acba]

KLM currently also offers both air and train (Thalys and Benelux) connections from AMS to BRU... but of course, KLM is slightly larger

[RoMax]

I don't see brussels airlines operate both air & rail services on the PAR-BRU leg... Maybe a bit too complicated for the PAX (I can already see people arriving at CDG with a ticket for Thalys and also the contray at Paris-Nord station...).

As said before, the train can support the early AFI flights, but it would result in a LONG transfer for the later AFI flights. Maybe the plan to reduce the flights to 1 daily this winter and if this train service is succesfull, upgrade it to 2 daily trains or more and no flights anymore as from somewhere in 2012.

I see several possibilities: train service and no flights anymore (tough I think it's strange that they still have 2 flights loaded and the train is only bookable trough travel agencies I tought) or train service with 2 flights or train service with 1 daily flight and later more trains and no flights or...

[brusselsairlinesfan]

Hey Mr Boeing, you don't see several but ALL possibilities on that matte
Anyway, i didn't know about both trains & planes services runned by KLM between BRU & AMS... and if it works...
I think this is quite the same problem for SN between BRU & CDG as these routes are only consist on transfer traffic (I mean no O & D between BRU/CDG & BRU/AMS).
I am very curious to see what SN will do (OK I must admit that I would love the flights to be maintained...).
And btw... no plans on SN side to attract transfer PAX from the Netherlands (I think they have a road/coach system but don't know if that works...)? All in all, cities like Eindhoven, Breda are easily reachable from BRU... the same would apply to Lille (F).

[diminbru]

Indeed, on the 30th Oct only one direct train from Paris Nord to BRU :

Departure Arrival Duration Connections Type Details
06:01 07:53 01:52 1 THA,​IR Details
06:25 08:10 01:45 1 THA,​IR Details
06:25 08:13 01:48 0 THA Details
08:01 09:53 01:52 1 THA,​IR Details
08:25 10:10 01:45 1 THA,​IR Details
09:01 10:53 01:52 1 THA,​IR Details
10:01 11:53 01:52 1 THA,​IR Details
10:25 12:10 01:45 1 THA,​IR Details
11:25 13:10 01:45 1 THA,​IR Details
12:01 13:53 01:52 1 THA,​IR Details
12:25 14:10 01:45 1 THA,​IR Details
13:01 14:53 01:52 1 THA,​IR Details
14:25 16:10 01:45 1 THA,​IR Details
15:25 17:10 01:45 1 THA,​IR Details
16:01 17:53 01:52 1 THA,​IR Details
The results proposed take account of real-time information.
Update of timetables only available for trains running on the Belgian railway network.

Departure 06:25 - Detailed information about connecting trains
Stations Departure Arrival Track Type Destination Comments Details
Paris-​Nord 06:25 THA Brussels Airport Reservation required Details
Brussels Airport 08:13 3

[jan_olieslagers]

Those in control of Dutch language might be interested to follow the discussion from a railways point of view aT http://hgbtf.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2361

[brusselsairlinesfan]

As I am french brussels airlines fan, I must admit I can't speak Dutch (apart from few words).
Would you be so kind to sum up what our railways fans say about it?
Dank U!

[jan_olieslagers]

Sorry, I am not going to translate a 16-page thread, even if you asked nicely...
Recent postings discuss which routes could serve the airport station, a popular idea being Antwerpen-Mechelen-Airport-Leuven, possibly continued to Liege.
A difficult point is the Brussels North-South link ("la jonction", "NZV" or "Noord-Zuidverbinding") which is heavily saturated, making it hard to continue a Paris-Brussels-South HST to the airport. Some wonder about a HST from the South going to the airport without passing the North-South link, either to the East (line 26) or to the West (line 28, along the new Brussels-West station).
Another idea is for some HST's from Amsterdam to Brussels to pass by the airport, but this would be disliked by the Dutch, said to be already disappointed at the low speed of HST's between Antwerpen and Brussels.

[brusselsairlinesfan]

Sorry, I am not going to translate a 16-page thread, even if you asked nicely...
Recent postings discuss which routes could serve the airport station, a popular idea being Antwerpen-Mechelen-Airport-Leuven, possibly continued to Liege.
A difficult point is the Brussels North-South link ("la jonction", "NZV" or "Noord-Zuidverbinding") which is heavily saturated, making it hard to continue a Paris-Brussels-South HST to the airport. Some wonder about a HST from the South going to the airport without passing the North-South link, either to the East (line 26) or to the West (line 28, along the new Brussels-West station).
Another idea is for some HST's from Amsterdam to Brussels to pass by the airport, but this would be disliked by the Dutch, said to be already disappointed at the low speed of HST's between Antwerpen and Brussels.

Thank you very much for this nice shortcut!

[brusselsairlinesfan]

Some media releases about Thalys / Brussels airport / brussels airlines :

http://www.lecho.be/actualite/entrepris ... alys&ckc=1

http://www.rtbf.be/info/economie/detail ... id=6547503

http://www.lalibre.be/actu/belgique/art ... elles.html

http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/economie ... 854749.php

http://www.express.be/sectors/nl/logist ... 150345.htm

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail. ... 110804_033

[diminbru]

A difficult point is the Brussels North-South link ("la jonction", "NZV" or "Noord-Zuidverbinding") which is heavily saturated, making it hard to continue a Paris-Brussels-South HST to the airport. Some wonder about a HST from the South going to the airport without passing the North-South link, either to the East (line 26) or to the West (line 28, along the new Brussels-West station).

If I read between the lines of the articles, it looks that BRU will be served through the NVZ-junction until Diabolo will open mid June. From then there will be a direct link to the airport, without using the NVZ-junction (and without a stop in Brussels Midi ?)

[sn26567]

As I am french brussels airlines fan, I must admit I can't speak Dutch (apart from few words).
Would you be so kind to sum up what our railways fans say about it?
Dank U!

There is also a railway forum in French, but not many posts yet:
http://navetteurs.leforum.eu/t3062-Le-T ... htm#p27036

[OO-ITR]

press release Brussels Airlines :

We have joined forces with Thalys to offer our Africa passengers a daily train connection between Paris and Brussels Airport, in addition to our 2 daily flights.
The Thalys train from Paris Nord will get passengers to Brussels Airport in time for smooth connections with Brussels Airlines flights.
http://web.brusselsairlines.com/pdf/ENG.pdf
web.brusselsairlines.com

So BRU-CDG is not at risk. The Thalys connection will be added to the two daily flights

[fets]

The Brussels Airlines press release is now available at:
http://web.brusselsairlines.com/pdf/ENG.pdf

And as guessed before, it's an extension of the current service, not a replacement.

[sn26567]

After Brussels Airlines and Jet Airways, a third airline is codesharing with the Thalys high speed trains between Paris Nord and Brussels Airport: Hainan.

It is reported that 200 passengers are now using this link daily.

[brusselsairlinesfan]

After Brussels Airlines and Jet Airways, a third airline is codesharing with the Thalys high speed trains between Paris Nord and Brussels Airport: Hainan.

It is reported that 200 passengers are now using this link daily.

200 PAX?! Thalys + brussels airlines planes alltogether or train only?

I did also notice that SN will use A320 on that route... rather surprising to me!

[RoMax]

200 PAX?! Thalys + brussels airlines planes alltogether or train only?

I did also notice that SN will use A320 on that route... rather surprising to me!

Train only of course...

And SN using the A320 on the route is not so suprising at all. They currently operate 2 daily 734 or 733/734 combination. These aircraft are leaving the fleet this year and the A319 is simply too small for the route. I think you underestimate the amount of pax between CDG and BRU connecting on flights of SN and Jet Airways (and even others like Hainan).

[airazurxtror]

The TGV (HST) service between Paris Nord and Brusssels airport will be cancelled from 26 october 2014.
It will run again from 14 June to 13 September 2015.
For financial reasons, traffic being insufficient save in the summer.

https://yahoo.skynet.be/actualites/econ ... ment-l-ete