Korongo Airlines: THE END

[sn26567]

If you prefer that I leave your forum you can ask your moderator to blacklist me.

Don't worry, congolaise, nobody has the intention to blacklist you. On the contraray, we appreciate that you take the time to expose a different view. That is exactly what a forum is about.

Please continue to post your opinion.

[RoMax]

You blaim me for talking about soverainity (in any case as same say this is because we are frustration), but I keep on reading Belgian AOC, Belgian planes, Belgian pilots( if they are found)

SN just want to have its own airline in the DRC because it is such an important market for SN. They want to offer a safe airline in a country where there are still a lot of airlines wich are not safe. But they don't want it to be blacklisted by the EU (altough they don't fly to the EU). But if Korongo would have a Congolese AOC and Congolese registrated aircraft they would be blacklisted (as they are now automaticly because they are registrated as a congolese company). So as long as their will not change something about the DRC airlines safety, Korongo will keep its Belgian registrations to keep them of the black list. Isn't that normal. Korongo is also intended for international partnerships (LH, Star) and than you don't want to have a blacklisted airline as people see these airlines as unsafe.
Is that a reason to blame SN/Korongo that they will operate Belgian registrated aircraft? Isn't it better for both Korongo and the DRC to have a safe airline wich can grow (remember they are talking about 500 staff members, of wich the absolute majority will be black wich will get a very good training by SN). As from the moment Korongo can registrate their aircraft in the DRC without being blacklisted, they will do that. But don't blame them if they don't do it now.

[congolaise]

Mr Boeing

Jean de La Fontaine wrote:

Selon que vous serez puissant ou misérable,
Les jugements de cour vous rendront blanc ou noir.

I know you will all blame me after being political for becoming philosophical.

In any case I do not see the aviation sence in this KORONGO

KORONGO is since april 19 on the blacklist but should as you say not be since belgian AOC?
New EU legislation will forbid agencies from selling tickets on blacklisted airlines
but in the case of KORONGO they should because KORONGO should
according what I read not have been added on the blacklist, but they were.
Airports in Madagascar are unsafe, but in DRC they are suddenly safe.
We saw pictures of the MONUC crash and something must have gone terribly wrong, since
as we know their maintenance is impecable although not as good as the belgian I must presume
otherwise the 32 people would not have been dead.

It is amasing how rules are being bend as long as it suits the purpose.

This is why African airlines say they are 'being progressively destroyed' by EU blacklist.

But La Fontaine said

La raison du plus fort est toujours la meilleure

But he also wrote:

Manger l’herbe d’autrui ! quel crime abominable !

In any case

Mieux vaut etre pauvre avec honneur que riche sans valeur ??

Unless de La Fontaine had it all wrong!

[matey11]

@ congolaise

I think SNBA is waiting to see whats the outcome of the elections in november. As katanga is a fairly peacefull region (I heard) there are no problems at this moment except for the shooting at the airport a few months ago. But as you know after elections that can change fairly quick. And to answer you Q about the safety of the airfield I think its gonna be pretty safe as the rwy is made bigger in length in lumbumbashi a new hangar is build and so on. All done and paid by SNBA and the Forest Group. I rather think everybody should be proud that Korongo will fly on safe and high quality way. I do really hope that you understand that nobody wishes to offend the congolese people in any way. Neither we want to denigrate them. Although there must be recognised that the way of dealing in Europe in Africa is totally different? And if you like I will send you a PM with some examples.

Kind Regards

[Allardlecon]

I really think that it is impossible to setup a reliable company in DRC. After talking with the DG of the CAA, it appears that they are thousand years behind. That's no racism, but aviation is not for them. I am sorry, but it's true.

[Allardlecon]

@ congolaise

I think SNBA is waiting to see whats the outcome of the elections in november. As katanga is a fairly peacefull region (I heard) there are no problems at this moment except for the shooting at the airport a few months ago. But as you know after elections that can change fairly quick. And to answer you Q about the safety of the airfield I think its gonna be pretty safe as the rwy is made bigger in length in lumbumbashi a new hangar is build and so on. All done and paid by SNBA and the Forest Group. I rather think everybody should be proud that Korongo will fly on safe and high quality way. I do really hope that you understand that nobody wishes to offend the congolese people in any way. Neither we want to denigrate them. Although there must be recognised that the way of dealing in Europe in Africa is totally different? And if you like I will send you a PM with some examples.

Kind Regards

I disagree completely congolaise. That must remain a forum for smart people like SN agents.

[regi]

I really think that it is impossible to setup a reliable company in DRC. After talking with the DG of the CAA, it appears that they are thousand years behind. That's no racism, but aviation is not for them. I am sorry, but it's true.

Despite that reality shows a huge gap between western and African mentality, we can not let this pass by. We have left Zaire and Congo and the result is that others have taken our place in casu the Chinese.
I am not in favour of double standards. But in this case we have to adopt to the situation.
Simply said : if we don't do it, somebody else will. ( and earn big bucks on it as long as they are as ruthless as their local business partners )

[congolaise]

Despite that reality shows a huge gap between western and African mentality, we can not let this pass by. We have left Zaire and Congo and the result is that others have taken our place in casu the Chinese.
I am not in favour of double standards. But in this case we have to adopt to the situation.
Simply said : if we don't do it, somebody else will. ( and earn big bucks on it as long as they are as ruthless as their local business partners )

Since in this case you want to "adapt to a local situation" with the sole purpose of generating what you call big bucks, you are in fact in favour of double SAFETY STANDARDS.
This is in my opinion a criminal attitude.
Even more disturbing is that because your are white, you take it for granted that you should not be on the blacklist.
The worst is that you mislead the belgian civil aviation, the european union etc for the sole purpose
of your so called big bucks.
Not the least you lie to the congolese population which is supposedly to trust all this!!!!!!!

Is the KORONGO goal SAFETY or MONEY, please let me know.

[airazurxtror]

because your are white, you take it for granted that you should not be on the blacklist.

A good joke !

[jan_olieslagers]

Is the KORONGO goal SAFETY or MONEY, please let me know.

BOTH. They're not absolutely incompatible, you know.

[airazurxtror]

Is the KORONGO goal SAFETY or MONEY, please let me know.

The Korongo shareholders are Brussels Airlines and Georges Forrest.
As far as I know, neither is philantropist and I guess they have set up that outfit in order to make money, as much as possible, same as any commercial company.
And, same as any commercial company, especially in aviation : in perfect safety - accidents being very costly.

[Allardlecon]

Is the KORONGO goal SAFETY or MONEY, please let me know.

The Korongo shareholders are Brussels Airlines and Georges Forrest.
As far as I know, neither is philantropist and I guess they have set up that outfit in order to make money, as much as possible, same as any commercial company.
And, same as any commercial company, especially in aviation : in perfect safety - accidents being very costly.

One aspect also to be considered is that if an accident occurs in DRC, the fatalities are not from high yield group.

[bruteboeing]

Is the KORONGO goal SAFETY or MONEY, please let me know.

The Korongo shareholders are Brussels Airlines and Georges Forrest.
As far as I know, neither is philantropist and I guess they have set up that outfit in order to make money, as much as possible, same as any commercial company.
And, same as any commercial company, especially in aviation : in perfect safety - accidents being very costly.

One aspect also to be considered is that if an accident occurs in DRC, the fatalities are not from high yield group.

are you for real ???

[regi]

Despite that reality shows a huge gap between western and African mentality, we can not let this pass by. We have left Zaire and Congo and the result is that others have taken our place in casu the Chinese.
I am not in favour of double standards. But in this case we have to adopt to the situation.
Simply said : if we don't do it, somebody else will. ( and earn big bucks on it as long as they are as ruthless as their local business partners )

Since in this case you want to "adapt to a local situation" with the sole purpose of generating what you call big bucks, you are in fact in favour of double SAFETY STANDARDS.
This is in my opinion a criminal attitude.
Even more disturbing is that because your are white, you take it for granted that you should not be on the blacklist.
The worst is that you mislead the belgian civil aviation, the european union etc for the sole purpose
of your so called big bucks.
Not the least you lie to the congolese population which is supposedly to trust all this!!!!!!!

Is the KORONGO goal SAFETY or MONEY, please let me know.

I have no clue how you can be aware about my racial background. But that left aside, this bwana wishes to teach you a basic lesson in economics: the sole purpose of a company is to make profit. Every other organisation is called an army, airforce, unemployment agency, UN, an NGO, whatever.
Double standards can be defined in many ways. For example that Korongo will have to allow racial discrimination by favouring members of certain tribes against other people during recruitment. And where we in Belgian can not discriminate according race, religion, sex , sexual preference, age, political favour , union membership, a company in the DR Congo acts in a different way.
How would I know that, you should ask. Maybe through my personnal contacts with Congolese from the highest levels, see the upcoming meeting at Brussels in week 20. I am looking forward to discuss this item with Minister Musoka who goes about infrastructure and public works. I will tell him that we Belgians are very bad people if we help his country and allow construction workers to enter construction plants without proper safety helmets, steel tip boots, gloves and welding certificates.
Be real FGS. And by the way, as other members already explained, do you really think that an airline would give in on basic safety , endangering its crew and airplane and even low yielding passengers ?

[congolaise]

And by the way, as other members already explained, do you really think that an airline would give in on basic safety , endangering its crew and airplane and even low yielding passengers ?

I read in this forum that B-AIR crews are reluctant to operate KORONGO planes.
This might be linked to the intention of KORONGO of implementing a SAFETY approach better adapted to the
local conditions which are presently unsafe (that is why DRC is on the blacklist no)
We can call it a SAFETY-LIGHT approach to stay in line with the BE-LIGHT.
Bigger bucks will be made for sure.
Big shame for the cogolese who will pay it with their lives.

[RoMax]

I read in this forum that B-AIR crews are reluctant to operate KORONGO planes.
This might be linked to the intention of KORONGO of implementing a SAFETY approach better adapted to the
local conditions which are presently unsafe (that is why DRC is on the blacklist no)
We can call it a SAFETY-LIGHT approach to stay in line with the BE-LIGHT.
Bigger bucks will be made for sure.
Big shame for the cogolese who will pay it with their lives.

Do you really think the SN staff doesn't want to go to Congo because they don't have trust in the safety of Korongo Airlines? Why in hell do you think SN/George Forrest build a brand new hangar wich costed 3 million dollar to maintain their aircraft by its own staff wich are trained by SN when they want to save money on safety "to adapt to the local unsafe conditions"? When they want to save money on safety they would give some DRC maintenance company a contract to maintain their fleet. But no, they build their own hangar, with their own, highly trained (congolese) staff. Korongo is ment to be a SAFE alternative for all the unsafe airlines in Congo. Partly (mainly?) for the non-DRC/African people who often don't trust these airlines (the EU blacklists them for a reason), but also for the local people of Congo wich have the right to fly with a save airline.
Really, the SN staff has other reasons why they don't want to go to Congo.

[Allardlecon]

I read in this forum that B-AIR crews are reluctant to operate KORONGO planes.
This might be linked to the intention of KORONGO of implementing a SAFETY approach better adapted to the
local conditions which are presently unsafe (that is why DRC is on the blacklist no)
We can call it a SAFETY-LIGHT approach to stay in line with the BE-LIGHT.
Bigger bucks will be made for sure.
Big shame for the cogolese who will pay it with their lives.

Do you really think the SN staff doesn't want to go to Congo because they don't have trust in the safety of Korongo Airlines? Why in hell do you think SN/George Forrest build a brand new hangar wich costed 3 million dollar to maintain their aircraft by its own staff wich are trained by SN when they want to save money on safety "to adapt to the local unsafe conditions"? When they want to save money on safety they would give some DRC maintenance company a contract to maintain their fleet. But no, they build their own hangar, with their own, highly trained (congolese) staff. Korongo is ment to be a SAFE alternative for all the unsafe airlines in Congo. Partly (mainly?) for the non-DRC/African people who often don't trust these airlines (the EU blacklists them for a reason), but also for the local people of Congo wich have the right to fly with a save airline.
Really, the SN staff has other reasons why they don't want to go to Congo.

Just a capital information, that stupid CAA didn't approve the beautiful hangar ...
It's time for new elections

[Allardlecon]

So far those posts, we must admit also that the safety rules will change. For example the Bae are not approved for night operations in Europe, but in DRC we'll operate by night as well.
As said, we'll apply a different company policy. No one airport is safe, the ATC are ridiculous, the fire tracks are missing, so, it is not possible to reach a good level. Korongo will be a Mickey Mouse company too

[RoMax]

So far those posts, we must admit also that the safety rules will change. For example the Bae are not approved for night operations in Europe, but in DRC we'll operate by night as well.
As said, we'll apply a different company policy. No one airport is safe, the ATC are ridiculous, the fire tracks are missing, so, it is not possible to reach a good level. Korongo will be a Mickey Mouse company too

Ok the airports are still unsafe, the ATC can't be trusted,... but at least they will have a better maintenance than the average DRC company, better service, better trained staff,...? Or not?

[congolaise]

So far those posts, we must admit also that the safety rules will change. For example the Bae are not approved for night operations in Europe, but in DRC we'll operate by night as well.
As said, we'll apply a different company policy. No one airport is safe, the ATC are ridiculous, the fire tracks are missing, so, it is not possible to reach a good level. Korongo will be a Mickey Mouse company too

Ok the airports are still unsafe, the ATC can't be trusted,... but at least they will have a better maintenance than the average DRC company, better service, better trained staff,...? Or not?

For me the answer is NO.

SAFETY goes further than a beautifull hangar and a couple of trained staff
The UNITED NATIONS MONUSCO operations have this without any doubt.

But they rely also on UNSAFE runways, poor ATC and absence of meteo services, as the recent accident of 4L-GAE of APRIL 4th 2011 at Kinshasa airport unfortunately prooved.

KORONGO can whatever you advance only operate in DRC on a SAFETY-LIGHT version.
This out of economical purposes, making of safety a secondary concern.
FGS be honnest about this.