Royal Jordanian Cargo moving back to MST??

[OO-VEX]

According to this topic on PPruNe http://www.pprune.org/freight-dogs/4269 ... cargo.html RJ Cargo will soon move back to MST.

Anyone who can confirm this?

OO-VEX

[Acid-drop]

the guy of mst-aviation are getting crazy about it, so yes it seems true.
http://www.mst-aviation.nl/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26470

Which means a bad news for BRU if I understand corretly ?

[Acid-drop]

and when reading this ...
http://www.payloadasia.com/article-6014 ... dAsia.html

it seems MST is only at the begining of its growth ... at least that's the plan.
That will be quite a concentration of cargo in a 300km radius around BRU ...

It's a threat for LGG, but for BRU, even a bigger one.

[LJ]

It's a threat for LGG, but for BRU, even a bigger one.

BRU doesn't even have an all cargo link with China (and for this I don't count Hong Kong as being part of China)... Question does all the HP cargo now go via LGG or will that come from other airports? The cargo volumes between AMS and China are very high (probably higher than between any other European airport). Will any movement of the HP business come from traffic ex AMS of LGG?

[Bottie]

HP is flown in via AMS and MST (MH)

If you mean HP as the IT-manufacturer, they also come via LGG with TNT.

[Acid-drop]

It's not about HP. TNT is very strong in Asia and China, and it will continue with the 3 777 that are comming.
And I don't see any advantage to move any HP operations to some smaller airport that is used for flower charters until now.
And HP is only one deal, there are many others.

But apparently RJA cargo is planning to move from BRU to MST.
And that's a strange news.
If they manage to attract more companies, it's a threat for the development of both BRU and LGG.
But let's take it step by step, this article shows a lot of dutch arrogance ("But it's great because its putting the cargo right were we are."). They are dreaming fast.

Now, they have one big advantage : they have a strong country with good economic relations.
In Belgium we keep fighting each other. We have no common aim and this is not helping for sure !
"L'union fait la force", they said.

[Malaysia]

MST is groing for sure, 2 year ago there were only 2/4 flights a day now they are nearly 40!

[jan_olieslagers]

Shouldn't we rather say Maastricht-Beek is recovering from a dip?

[DeltaWiskey]

Lol, we keep fighting each other? Have you been in Libya these days?
Socialism has failed and some people still can't understand this.
Economically Belgium is doing fine. Flanders region is very comparable in a lot of aspects to the Netherlands. Walloon region is trailing by a mile, but is catching up (I hope).
Please back on topic now.

[Acid-drop]

Shouldn't we rather say Maastricht-Beek is recovering from a dip?

I don't agree. They didn't grow in the past because of 2 reasons : because they didn't want to grow (politics) and because they have a short runway.

Now, they are still far away from being able to play in the same league than BRU or LGG... but i does not mean they cannot grow.

[LJ]

Sorry, but MST itself says that it only grows because it's so small...

Personally I wouldn't mind closing MST as it's not economical having two airports so close to each other (and one has to be honest to say that LGG's opening times are much better than those of MST). However, as MST is privately run I don't mind having the airport either..

[Acid-drop]

Do we know what volume they currently handle in BRU ? What kind of airplanes ? any extension plan ?

[SpottairBRU]

What kind of airplanes ?

According to RJ Cargo's website, their cargo fleet consists in 2 Airbus A310. For your other questions, I haven't any clue.

[OO-JFP]

by Acid-drop » 29 Apr 2011 01:37 pm
Do we know what volume they currently handle in BRU ? What kind of airplanes ? any extension plan ?

You're the first to say it's bad news for BRU but you don't know the airplanes they use or the volumes they handle, strange.

Maybe the answer is: on a weekly basis the loss of RJA in BRU is less then the loss of 5 B744F in LGG.
The difference is that when it is BRU it is bad news, in the case of LGG it is blackmail.

Cheers,
OO-JFP

[Acid-drop]

Here we go again.

1. The current tonnage in BRU has nothing to do with their future plan in MST. They could be having 15 flights per week with their A310 in BRU and 2 flights per week in MST with their 737. It's likely that they move with an expension plan, which would be good news for MST.

2. Unlike RJA cargo who moves by surprise, just because they had probably a better deal, ElAl is blackmaling : making useless communications. If they leave without notice, I have nothing to say, but doing this is different.

Now stop hijacking the subject with LGG stuff, nobody cares.

[OO-JFP]

Acid-drop,

I would welcome the day that you have nothing to say. Your constant need to comment on every single topic sometimes makes a fool of yourself. The last RJA owned Boeing left their fleet some 20 years ago.
But this for you will be a detail again, it's the tonnage that count isn't it. (I'm an airplane spotter, you are a commentator)
And sorry but I can't resist: when ElAl played the same game in 2008 when they threatened AMS to leave for LGG I didn't read the word blackmailing.

Delete what you want to.
OO-JFP

[Acid-drop]

how am I suppose to stop talking when some people can't stop their biased talking.
Obviously you can't hide your joy when LGG may loose its first client in 10 years. We all know LGG is run with subsidies and ElAl knows it. When ryanair is threatening some cities because of lack of subsidies and then leave, everybody agrees to call it blackmail, but here, because it's LGG, everybody smiles. Ok man. Whatever.
You can call it clever commercial tactics since Ryanair is doing great with that. I wish the same to ElAl then.

Regarding the rest, yes it's the tonnage that count. BRU is loosing cargo tonnage at the speed of light and that does not look so good, does it ?
With your mighty spotter powers, did you know RJA leased a 737F ? oh yeah but that's technically not RJA so it doesn't count right ?

Try to be neutral in your posting please. When there is something bad to say about LGG, I do. Check my latest post when I talk about their inability to bring news clients since a while. That's neutral, it's not biased blabla.
Now, regarding LGG stuff, post in the LGG topic. Neutral or not, we can talk.

[LJ]

Maybe the answer is: on a weekly basis the loss of RJA in BRU is less then the loss of 5 B744F in LGG. The difference is that when it is BRU it is bad news, in the case of LGG it is blackmail.

Any loss of a full freighter service at BRU is bad news. It's not that BRU has been able to attract many full cargo operators.... SQC and Saudia have reduced flying ex BRU (though they seem to be increasing flights again) and Korean Air Cargo did have more scheduled flights (not counting last years charters) last year, if I'm not mistaken.

And sorry but I can't resist: when ElAl played the same game in 2008 when they threatened AMS to leave for LGG I didn't read the word blackmailing.

ElAl didn't blackmail AMS back then. They left AMS because they didn't want to pay the fees which AMS. Furthermore, AMS didn't mind ElAl leaving as they were operating the classic 747s to AMS, and AMS doesn't like these aircraft. LGG was the alternative for ElAl as is was the closest airport which accepted their classic 747s.

[liege-bierset]

Just for my own benefit, who is doing a selective cleaning ( censorship) on this thread ?

[OO-JFP]

Dear Mr Moderator (Acid-drop),

Many years ago when LZ was created, Belgian spotters where happy to have their own forum where they could exchange information about registrations, pictures and carriers. Many years later, only a handful of them are still on the board and making posts. Some of them because they ignore the non-spotting related comments (fine), others because they don't know that in the meantime other forums exist where they exchange that information and only that information (also fine).

Let me take this thread: OO-VEX asks whether RJA Cargo moves back to MST where they operated from before. I was one of the first to read the post and my first thought was: "S**t, no more new registrations or pictures from RJA Cargo planes in BRU". I just had to check your favorite website MST-Aviation to find the confirmation. (Nothing wrong with MST-aviation, I check the site daily and find interesting info there too).
The next post is about bad news for BRU. (Bad cargo news for BRU often means: it widens the gap with LGG, on the other hand an increase for MST isn't a threat because "they play in a different league".
The following post is about cargo with China, more bad news for BRU in this respect while I start asking myself what the relationship is with the initial question. It continues and after a while I have the impression that I'm reading posts as if I'm on a forum for freighthandlers, forwarders etc.
As an airplane spotter, I really don't care how much freight is carried between cities and even the ranking-place of an airport in international list is of low value. What I don't like is the hi-jacking of spotter related topics into a question of tonnages, high-level talk of operations, figures, statistics and much bla-bla-bla. Check your posts and find out yourself how often this happens. It might be one of the reasons why spotters have left the board...
But that is just a detail for you too since you've never made one post with a reg that could be of interest (except the one where you copy-pasted info).

Just a few comments on your last post:
- I really don't have a problem with LGG being the nr 1 cargo airport in Belgium. I told you before that I regularly pay it a visit to add new regs to my database.
- Loosing its first client in 10 years: ElAl doesn't stop operating their classic B742F's in LGG.
(On the other hand there's Polet and I seem to miss the SOO/THA B777F's in LGG lately).
- about the subsidies: it's not the first time that you mention it. I appreciate your honesty - I know where your heart is and I know where part of my tax money is used for. So be it.
- about the tonnages: what happens to the monthly LGG statistics? Are the double digit growth figures over? I know this comment may give the wrong impression again but believe me it's not the intention. In my opinion this is the place to discuss tonnages, operations etc. not the individual spotter related topics.
- about the B737F: I did my home work, that's why I said "RJA-owned Boeings". On the other hand, I doubt if JY-TWC ever came close to a Belgian or Dutch airport.
- about the ability to attrack new customers: I don't comment, it's all about money and the rest is marketing talk. Or maybe one thing: the Walloon unions are not very helpful aren't they?

Enjoy your statistics, I'll enjoy the overflights on this beautiful day.
OO-JFP (part of the minority group )

ps: as always, feel free to delete as this is off-topic again, I know.
ps2: let's be clear: I have nothing against the non-spotting threads on LZ. I know LZ is there for everybody and it serves more than one purpose.