Somebody I know would like to become an airplane technician, preferably at Brussels Airport...
He has no license in aircraft technics, but is a skilled and trained automobile technician. Of course I know this isn't sufficient to work on airplanes, but I now wonder if he'd apply for a job with let's say SN technics, LH technics or B.Air technics, do they offer some course to learn the job? And if not, where can he follow lessons to obtain a license? And as a last question, does he need to pay himself for the training just like pilots in training?
Thank you for your answers!
Becoming an airplane technician
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DeltaWiskey
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Re: Becoming an airplane technician
I'll give you a hint: EASA Part 66, everything you need to know is in there, free available on the internet. You will find zillions of information on that, find your way through it, a good exercise. If that's too much of an effort, you can forget about a job in aviation, as paperwork is part of the job nowadays.
Re: Becoming an airplane technician
Hey,
First of all everybody can be an aircraft technician as long he is motivated.
Indeed paperwork is a large part of the job.But to give you the taste of it i ll explain it for you.
First of all you need a license called B1 to be a full aircraft technician this you obtain by being a apprentice for a minimum of three years you also have to do exams to prove your theoratical knowledge this goes from mathematics till engine systems and so on you have to do 15 modules all discriped in the part 66 of EASA but if you want i can pm you the full list. Be aware the pass mark for all the exams is set at 75% so thats pretty much. This is for all the aircraft technicians working in the europe so it does'nt where you work. TO get the modules you will have to do a lot of self study some of the big modules will be given in a course of three weeks but all the rest is elf study so you have to be very motivated to come home after work and study. normally the company you work for will pay for the exams. Also be aware this is not a job where you just say oh i ve a off day the job is good enough done. no it has to be near perfect or perfect no matter what day. its also not a nine to five job you will have to work weekends earlys lates and nights. So this is in very short what you have to do it's much more complicated then this but this is the essense i think.
Kind regards
First of all everybody can be an aircraft technician as long he is motivated.
Indeed paperwork is a large part of the job.But to give you the taste of it i ll explain it for you.
First of all you need a license called B1 to be a full aircraft technician this you obtain by being a apprentice for a minimum of three years you also have to do exams to prove your theoratical knowledge this goes from mathematics till engine systems and so on you have to do 15 modules all discriped in the part 66 of EASA but if you want i can pm you the full list. Be aware the pass mark for all the exams is set at 75% so thats pretty much. This is for all the aircraft technicians working in the europe so it does'nt where you work. TO get the modules you will have to do a lot of self study some of the big modules will be given in a course of three weeks but all the rest is elf study so you have to be very motivated to come home after work and study. normally the company you work for will pay for the exams. Also be aware this is not a job where you just say oh i ve a off day the job is good enough done. no it has to be near perfect or perfect no matter what day. its also not a nine to five job you will have to work weekends earlys lates and nights. So this is in very short what you have to do it's much more complicated then this but this is the essense i think.
Kind regards
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I would think it requires a different mentality than being a car mechanic.
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Desert Rat
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Free available??DeltaWiskey wrote:I'll give you a hint: EASA Part 66, everything you need to know is in there, free available on the internet. You will find zillions of information on that, find your way through it, a good exercise. If that's too much of an effort, you can forget about a job in aviation, as paperwork is part of the job nowadays.
everytime you pass a module it is 80 euros, there's 13 to pass to get the CAT.A and two or three more to get the B1.
No special skills are required to work under a part 145 organisation, the part 66 is just if you want to work freelance, but it is a plus if you want to get hired by a part 145.
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You must need a three years of practical experience. indeed no special skills required under a part 145 but you need the B1 anyway to sign of the release to service. For a cat A license you have to do the same modules as a B1 but the knowledge has to be less in depth then for B1. as catA you only can sign off a wheel/brake change an some other small things. but what i hear from you desert rat is evrythime wrong info. maybe you where active in aviation in the past but aviation changes every day so pls first do your homework before you say something.Free available??
everytime you pass a module it is 80 euros, there's 13 to pass to get the CAT.A and two or three more to get the B1.
No special skills are required to work under a part 145 organisation, the part 66 is just if you want to work freelance, but it is a plus if you want to get hired by a part 145.
Kind regards,
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Desert Rat
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Re: Becoming an airplane technician
----You must need a three years of practical experience----
it all depends if you were educated in a part 147 aviation college(2 years), an regular aviation college without the easa approuval(3 years), or no aviation education at all...then it could be 5 years... at the end of the days, the decision to give the Cat A is coming from the CAA, after reviewing the experience worksheet and the pass mark to all the modules.
Just for your info, usually peoples go from Cat A to B1 or B2, not straight to B1, although they can pass the module B, and apply for a Cat. A licence to the CAA.
I didn't read a lot from your side as it is your second message on this forum, but please indicate me where I said something wrong, I will be more than happy to apologize to your highness.
And don't worry for my homework, Pietske of Janneke,... I'm A,B1, and C ...
it all depends if you were educated in a part 147 aviation college(2 years), an regular aviation college without the easa approuval(3 years), or no aviation education at all...then it could be 5 years... at the end of the days, the decision to give the Cat A is coming from the CAA, after reviewing the experience worksheet and the pass mark to all the modules.
Just for your info, usually peoples go from Cat A to B1 or B2, not straight to B1, although they can pass the module B, and apply for a Cat. A licence to the CAA.
I didn't read a lot from your side as it is your second message on this forum, but please indicate me where I said something wrong, I will be more than happy to apologize to your highness.
And don't worry for my homework, Pietske of Janneke,... I'm A,B1, and C ...
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Desert Rat
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Re: Becoming an airplane technician
---For a cat A license you have to do the same modules as a B1 but the knowledge has to be less in depth then for B1---
You are wrong modules are different between A and B1, you don't havve to pass the electronic one, for Cat A...
and you have one or two additionals module for B1...
Maybe you are still active in aviation but aviation changes every day so pls first do your homework before you say something.
Got it??
You are wrong modules are different between A and B1, you don't havve to pass the electronic one, for Cat A...
and you have one or two additionals module for B1...
Maybe you are still active in aviation but aviation changes every day so pls first do your homework before you say something.
Got it??
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so the guy is a car technician?
No problem than to work on Thielert / Centurion diesel engines , which are based on the Mercedes car engine block.
But I guess your friend wants something different.
No problem than to work on Thielert / Centurion diesel engines , which are based on the Mercedes car engine block.
But I guess your friend wants something different.
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Thank your for all your answers, it's valuable I'll take it to him and let him go further from there on.
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Desert Rat
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Re: Becoming an airplane technician
You are very very welcome dear Conti...
And this is a free gift, because I know you like me very very much...
http://aircraft-licence.com/
And this is a free gift, because I know you like me very very much...
http://aircraft-licence.com/
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Thank you very muchDesert Rat wrote:You are very very welcome dear Conti...
And this is a free gift, because I know you like me very very much...
http://aircraft-licence.com/
And it's not that I don't like you, we just have some very different opinions on some issues, but that's what a forum is for, no?
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Desert Rat
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Re: Becoming an airplane technician
this could be helpful as well, WAN will start a new training Jar66 Cat A next month...
Cheers,
DR
http://sites.google.com/site/ftwande/
Cheers,
DR
http://sites.google.com/site/ftwande/
Re: Becoming an airplane technician
-Without license you act as apprentice or grease monkey as we say. Don't expect varying work or good payment.
-After being this for 3 years you can become A licensed, if you pass all exams that is. You can skip the grease monkey part if you do your A level exams in an approved Part147 organisation (in Belgium VLOC and WAN??)
-After being 2 years an A level, you can become B1 or B2 or both. That is only if you again pass exams AND you have at least 1 aircraft type rating with associated engine type (eg 767-300 with CF6 engines). The type rating you can only get with...exams (practical + ttheoretical)
A B1/B2 is fully responsible for his work and can sign every task that is described in the maintenance manual. An A licensed is also responsible for his work, but the scope is limited (e.g. wheel changes, windscreen wiper blades,...)
I myself became unlimited B1 after 8 years, and I did the VLOC shortcut (KHBO back then). So don't expect the durations to be true, Belgian CAA is far slower than that!
In the end, you'll work in a part145 organisaion, which in turn can give you limitations. So e.g. if you passed all exams and get your part66, your boss can still say "no, you don't touch the engine". Most employers e.g. will not allow you to start an engine without more exams.
Take into account working outside, mostly shift work, payrates that are way too low for the responsability, working with poisonous stuff, airport security to make you nuts etc, and if your friend still wants to do it, he's the man we need. (I still much enjoy my job very much, despite what I write here)
Paperwork is indeed BIG part of the job. An average wheel change can be done in 15-20 minutes, but the paperwork will certainly take the same amount of time. If we work ETOPS, my main tool is my pen, not my screwdriver...
-After being this for 3 years you can become A licensed, if you pass all exams that is. You can skip the grease monkey part if you do your A level exams in an approved Part147 organisation (in Belgium VLOC and WAN??)
-After being 2 years an A level, you can become B1 or B2 or both. That is only if you again pass exams AND you have at least 1 aircraft type rating with associated engine type (eg 767-300 with CF6 engines). The type rating you can only get with...exams (practical + ttheoretical)
A B1/B2 is fully responsible for his work and can sign every task that is described in the maintenance manual. An A licensed is also responsible for his work, but the scope is limited (e.g. wheel changes, windscreen wiper blades,...)
I myself became unlimited B1 after 8 years, and I did the VLOC shortcut (KHBO back then). So don't expect the durations to be true, Belgian CAA is far slower than that!
In the end, you'll work in a part145 organisaion, which in turn can give you limitations. So e.g. if you passed all exams and get your part66, your boss can still say "no, you don't touch the engine". Most employers e.g. will not allow you to start an engine without more exams.
Take into account working outside, mostly shift work, payrates that are way too low for the responsability, working with poisonous stuff, airport security to make you nuts etc, and if your friend still wants to do it, he's the man we need. (I still much enjoy my job very much, despite what I write here)
Paperwork is indeed BIG part of the job. An average wheel change can be done in 15-20 minutes, but the paperwork will certainly take the same amount of time. If we work ETOPS, my main tool is my pen, not my screwdriver...