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Re: Qantas grounds A380 fleet after incident over Indonesia

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Everybody eyes now Qantas, RR and the A380.
But every day, all over the world airplanes of all categories have to go back because of technical mishaps. How many aborted take offs are there not in 1 day?
99% doesn't reach us.
I wonder if there is a website where all those returns are registered. 8-)

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regi wrote:I wonder if there is a website where all those returns are registered. 8-)
http://www.avherald.com
Here you go, probably not all are in there, but I think it's interesting...

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Polaris wrote:
regi wrote:I wonder if there is a website where all those returns are registered. 8-)
http://www.avherald.com
Here you go, probably not all are in there, but I think it's interesting...
Thank you, Polaris, it just shows what I stated. A lot of mishaps.( I have put it in my favorites :) )
And we don't know what goes wrong at the other side of the fence of military AFB's...

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Re: Qantas grounds A380 fleet after incident over Indonesia

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RR asks Airbus to give back some new engines to replace old ones for Qantas and Singapore Airlines.

Sounds silly, but we see it everywhere today in industry. Shortage of material, longer lead times, customers who order too late etcetera.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AF0RP20101116

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New information released by Airbus (source: The Aviation Herald):
The aircraft sustained wiring cuts, the loss of the green hydraulic system and some structural damage as result of the #2 engine uncontained failure. The crew maintained control of the aircraft throughout the flight with autopilot being engaged until 700 feet radar altitude on approach to Singapore, engines #1, #3 and #4 were manually controlled until landing. The landing was done with flaps configuration 3 due to slats being unavailable. The aircraft landed 100 minutes after the engine failure, following the landing engine #1 could not be shut down due to wiring damage which prevented the LP and HP valves to be closed.
Meanwhile, Rolls Royce keeps a deafening silence!
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Story in Aviation Week and Space Technology ("Rolls-Royce Plunders A380 Production Line")
see: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... annel=comm

It seems they do not have a surplus of engines but rather are taking engines destined for new A-380's.

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Just a question.
Where is the aircraft ? SIN or ferried back to TLS ?

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I don't know if anyone has seen this but .... (story in Everett (WA) newspaper):

story headline "Expert: Airbus A380 could have lost wing"
see: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201011 ... 1010/BIZ01

Loosing a wing is not a good thing!

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But it didn't happen, just as it didn't happen to the B747 of Qantas which also had an engine failure.

Now interesting to read is that the cause could be in ruptures in the tubes ( carying oil )
I think that the guys at Doncasters are happy. It is not their part anymore.

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smokejumper wrote:I don't know if anyone has seen this but .... (story in Everett (WA) newspaper):

story headline "Expert: Airbus A380 could have lost wing"
see: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201011 ... 1010/BIZ01

Loosing a wing is not a good thing!

it's all getting blown out of proportion now by boeing fans :)

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Update from Aviation Herald:
On Nov 17th the ATSB reported, that the engine has been removed from the aircraft (see photos http://avherald.com/img/qantas_a388_vh- ... 104_10.jpg and http://avherald.com/img/qantas_a388_vh- ... 04_10a.jpg) and is now being dismantled. The low pressure turbine has already been removed to allow examination of the damage in the intermediate pressure turbine area. The aircraft examination is continuing, a number of wing and body fairing panels have been removed from the aircraft to facilitate the examination of the underlying structures and systems. This work is going to continue at least for the remainder of the week. The search in Batam for debris has recovered several turbine blades and blade attachments but failed to retrieve the missing parts of the turbine disk.
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Story and pictures in Flight Global.

See: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... amage.html

I think folks were lucky in this situation.

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smokejumper wrote:Story and pictures in Flight Global.

See: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... amage.html

I think folks were lucky in this situation.
Thank you for the pictures lead.

It resembles a bit as a B-17 having done a bombing raid on Berlin, receiving quite some FLAK.

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Just heard on the late France 3 TV news that Airbus is going to ask Rolls Royce for important compensation money!
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Interesting link with more explanation and pictures: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking ... -disaster/

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DeltaWiskey wrote:Interesting link with more explanation and pictures: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking ... -disaster/
The perforation of the rib is quite spectacular. It looks as machined out of solid aluminium rolled plate( I doubt they used titanium for this application ) . No machined casting, but strong wrought material.
If you would be given a sledge hammer , you would not be able to perforate it.

A Belgian company manufactured the slat mechanism of the droop nose. :shock: But not the wing spars as far as I know.
http://www.asco.be/slatMechanisms

Just an example of a USA market leader in manufacturing these parts: ( but I don't know who has made these particular A380 wing spars ) Just to show interested members how they manufacture these parts.

http://www.tectaero.com/products/structural/#wing
http://www.tectaero.com/technology-and- ... _machining

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On a.net the wandering turbine disk has been said to be similar in speed/energy as an artillery shell.
Image

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Re: Qantas grounds A380 fleet after incident over Indonesia

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Jon Ostrower (FlightBlogger) has some picutes and drawings of the damage.

See: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/

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dsa330 wrote:
smokejumper wrote:I don't know if anyone has seen this but .... (story in Everett (WA) newspaper):

story headline "Expert: Airbus A380 could have lost wing"
see: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/201011 ... 1010/BIZ01

Loosing a wing is not a good thing!

it's all getting blown out of proportion now by boeing fans :)
Boeing fans have nothing to crow about - consider the issues with the B-787.

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Latest information on the enquiry from The Aviation Herald:
On Nov 22nd the ATSB reported, that the low pressure and intermediate pressure turbine modules including the shafts have been removed from the engine. Together with the recovered parts of the intermediate pressure turbine those parts of interest are being shipped to Rolls Royce for further examination under the supervision of the British AAIB. The examination of the airframe is continuing with the focus now on hydraulic, mechanical and electric systems that have been affected by engine debris. The ATSB expects their on-site investigators will be able to return to Australia by Friday Nov 26th. No further update is to be expected until the release of the preliminary report on Dec 3rd.
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