Accident Airbus A340 of Turkish Airlines @ Brussels Airport - engine cowls damaged

[jan_olieslagers]

New to this forum, so hi everybody

This is impressive: first post from a new member is to the point, and full of new and relevant information. Perfect writing and spelling as a bonus. Welcome indeed, and I hope to see many more messages of this quality!

[teddybAIR]

http://avherald.com/h?article=432a7b56&opt=0

Well, you prove me wrong! Nevertheless, I'm sure I saw a A340 of Turkish Airlines on approach to RWY20...is it possible this was on saturday? Didn't know my memory fails me this hard!

Best regards,
bAIR

[sdbelgium]

That could be, indeed. On Saturday, TK sent a 330 and a 340.

[RickTheBird]

New to this forum, so hi everybody

This is impressive: first post from a new member is to the point, and full of new and relevant information. Perfect writing and spelling as a bonus. Welcome indeed, and I hope to see many more messages of this quality!

True indeed, no BS, just some good facts and limited own imput.

With regards to so some of the replies, I am sorry to say but they are a true waste of time and below any standard.

[Genghis Khan]

http://avherald.com/h?article=432a7b56&opt=0

It is stated on this link you send that both left hand side engine pods touched the ground.

For your information: after seeing the aircraft engine number 2 does not have any signs of contact with the ground. I don't know where this information came from but honestly speaking I doubt number 2 engine touched the ground.

@jan:

Thank you for your warm welcome

I'll try to post as accurate as possible whenever I do so.

By the way, aircraft is waiting for approval from Airbus to get a ferry flight release to return to base.

Ciao,

[sergioboeing]

Dear All,

I have only now decided to tell you my testimony about this incident / accident because I was a bit shocked by what happened.
As I am a spotter I usually come on weekends to take pictures of airplanes.
I was at the Sand Hill area to see precisely the A340 of Turkish Airlines.
I should mention that I am not a specialist in aviation.
I can confirm that the landing took place on the 25L and the wind was calm.
The approach of the A340 seemed normal.
Immediately after contact with the ground the aircraft made a roll.
I immediately realized that something unusual was happening and I started getting scared. 2 or 3 roll occurred.
After the plane was recovered but passed me the reversers were activated (too late?) and the nose was raised. I wondered if the plane might stop before the end of the runway.
Then the plane disappeared behind the trees and I did not know if the plane would stop or if the pilot decides to go around.
I was happy when I saw the plane pass by the satellite to reach the gate.
A few minutes later the airport security went on the 25L to see the damages.
The 25L was closed for a while.

Best regards,
Sergioboeing

[Captain Remi]

I also think it is wrong labelling this as "the same as making a dent in your Ferrari"...
Always beware of airlines in great sudden expansion, like THY....
In the '80's and '90's, Turkish' safety record received some serious dents with numerous accidents and incidents, when the company was going through an expansion.
Now we seem to see the same... F.I. the accident last year or the year before at Schiphol, which was clearly a case of pilot error.
May'be training or controlling is not done with the right vigour???
I don't want to make asumptions however.

But what I do know is that this could have turned out into a major disaster.
With one passenger describing the incident and telling that one wing was al of a sudden very high, it made me think of the bouncing Fedex MD11F at Narita, which did about the same, ended up on its belly and was consumed by fire killing all on board.
(just check youtube if you like to see this to compare and get an idea of what could have happened)

[cnc]

But what I do know is that this could have turned out into a major disaster.
With one passenger describing the incident and telling that one wing was al of a sudden very high, it made me think of the bouncing Fedex MD11F at Narita, which did about the same, ended up on its belly and was consumed by fire killing all on board.
(just check youtube if you like to see this to compare and get an idea of what could have happened)

there is no need to blow this out of proportion either...

[teddybAIR]

I am curious to see the conclusions of the report on this accident/incident.

We should always be carefull when interpreting passenger testimonials since it frequently happens that certain occurences are "exagerated". I'm not saying that their testimonials are incorrect, just that we need to be carefull.

Nevertheless, their are already several consistent testimonials of passengers and spotters who indicate that the plane made a roll along its longtitudinal axis. A possible cause for such a roll after touchdown is a crosswind, but I seem to have read that the wind was not cross at all that day.

Best regards,
bAIR

[earthman]

Perhaps it was another pilot-trainee landing the plane, and the captain noticed and took over just in time to prevent disaster, unlike the AMS crash.

Perhaps the trainee forgot that the plane is not a car and on theground you have to steer left/right with the rudder pedals and not with the joystick, as that would cause exactly this behaviour?

[teddybAIR]

... on theground you have to steer left/right with the rudder pedals and not with the joystick, as that would cause exactly this behaviour?

If only it was this simple! Our VFR training handbook has an entire chapter dedicated to the correct use of aileron, rudder and elevator during ground operations.

[Desert Rat]

Airbus is probably assessing the load sustained by the pylons and the gears....if this is above design load, big repairs are foreseen.

[Captain Remi]

Perhaps it was another pilot-trainee landing the plane, and the captain noticed and took over just in time to prevent disaster, unlike the AMS crash.

Perhaps the trainee forgot that the plane is not a car and on theground you have to steer left/right with the rudder pedals and not with the joystick, as that would cause exactly this behaviour?

Eurm.... I don't think confusing plane and car will prove to be the cause...
It is not just on the ground you have to use the rudder pedals to turn the wheels...
They are called rudder pedals for a reason and operate first of all the rudder.
Now, you'd be using the rudder on any sequence of the flight. Not only in turns or on approach but a lot to compensate even when flying a straight line, so seriously, this sounds a bit too funny

[Crosswind]

Trainee pilot on a 340? I would say no.

Maybe that crew?

[sdbelgium]

According to an interview on a Turkish aviation website with the captain (Hasan Birgiz, who has indeed resigned), they selected reversers on the number 2 and 3 (inboard) engines and mistakenly added thrust to the number 1 (outboard left) engine at the same time. He takes full responsibility for the incident and said they did not feel anything in the cockpit at the time, they did not know the engine hit the tarmac until a technician came on board.

[TCAS_climb]

Reminds me of the AF 747-400 that finished its landing roll in the lagoon at Papeete.

The fact that the Captain "resigns" so quickly (resignation apparently accepted... if not firmly "suggested" in the first place?) says a lot about the safety culture at THY!

[euroflyer]

hm, all very promising .. I am just about to do my first flight with TK .... on Thursday morning from IST to DUB ... I guess I just have to keep my fingers crossed. Plane will be a 737-800.

[galaxy]

I am just about to do my first flight with TK ....I guess I just have to keep my fingers crossed.

And remember " Any landing you walk away from is a good one "

[regi]

Reminds me of the AF 747-400 that finished its landing roll in the lagoon at Papeete.

The fact that the Captain "resigns" so quickly (resignation apparently accepted... if not firmly "suggested" in the first place?) says a lot about the safety culture at THY!

don't worry, the statistics are in favour of you. Turkish has its quota of incidents/accidents already.
And according the previous message that captain has gone ( to Corendon? )

[earthman]

Perhaps it was another pilot-trainee landing the plane, and the captain noticed and took over just in time to prevent disaster, unlike the AMS crash.

Perhaps the trainee forgot that the plane is not a car and on theground you have to steer left/right with the rudder pedals and not with the joystick, as that would cause exactly this behaviour?

Eurm.... I don't think confusing plane and car will prove to be the cause...
It is not just on the ground you have to use the rudder pedals to turn the wheels...
They are called rudder pedals for a reason and operate first of all the rudder.
Now, you'd be using the rudder on any sequence of the flight. Not only in turns or on approach but a lot to compensate even when flying a straight line, so seriously, this sounds a bit too funny

Of course the rudder pedals steer the rudder in the first place, but it is simply my understanding that they also steer the nose wheel. Also, do not take my 'explanation' too seriously.