LOT Polish Airlines to Hanoi from Oct 2010

[sn26567]

LOT Polish Airlines from 18OCT10 resumes service to Asia, with 3 weekly Warsaw – Hanoi service on board Boeing 767-300ER.

Schedule below:

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LO085 WAW2240 – 1425+1HAN 763 136
LO086 HAN2325 – 0605+1WAW 763 247

Source: airlineroute.net

[regi]

in the old comunist days they did also BKK. I think with Il-62. Later for a small period with B767 and than stop.

It were the days that if you wanted to reach BKK as a cheap charlie, your choice was Malev, LOT, Tarom, Balkan Air, CSA. That role was taken over by the arab airliners.

So did disappear the connection to Vietnam, the communist sister.
Somewhere beginning 1990's when Vietnam opened up for tourism it was pretty difficult to reach HCM City or Hanoi directly from Europe. Air France, Aeroflot, Singapore Air, Thai I think, and that was almost it.

[sn26567]

in the old comunist days they did also BKK. I think with Il-62. Later for a small period with B767 and than stop.

Same for PEK. But they haven't relauched that route yet.

It woud seem to me that the PEK route has a lot more potential than Vietnam...

[nthcuahxk]

in the old comunist days they did also BKK. I think with Il-62. Later for a small period with B767 and than stop.

Same for PEK. But they haven't relauched that route yet.

It woud seem to me that the PEK route has a lot more potential than Vietnam...

I don't think so. PEK route hasn't been relaunched because there's only a small number of Chinese living in Warsaw. That's why WAW - PEK route had no chance to survive. On the contrary there are more than 50,000 Vietnamese living in Poland, with 90% of them living in Warsaw alone.

So which route has more potential now?

[regi]

in the old comunist days they did also BKK. I think with Il-62. Later for a small period with B767 and than stop.

Same for PEK. But they haven't relauched that route yet.

It woud seem to me that the PEK route has a lot more potential than Vietnam...

I don't think so. PEK route hasn't been relaunched because there's only a small number of Chinese living in Warsaw. That's why WAW - PEK route had no chance to survive. On the contrary there are more than 50,000 Vietnamese living in Poland, with 90% of them living in Warsaw alone.

So which route has more potential now?

detail: Vietnam sent a lot Vietnamese to eastern european countries as payment for all kind of communist products such as weaponry, cars and trucks, machinery, airplanes, services etcetera.
When you cross the border from former east Germany into the Czech republic , you see many stalls with liquor, cigarettes manned by Vietnamese. Those are people who didn't want to return to the motherland after the communist countries changed side.
But they still are not fully accepted in those former soviet satellite states.

[radzinx]

LOT will neither operate to any Chinese destination nor to Japanese and Korean since it has not flying rights to operate above Siberia. Flying around Siberia is not profitable at all. These bilateral agreements are concluded between governments (in this case Poland and Russia), are very political and difficult to conclude and usually reflect relations between the two countries.

[nthcuahxk]

detail: Vietnam sent a lot Vietnamese to eastern european countries as payment for all kind of communist products such as weaponry, cars and trucks, machinery, airplanes, services etcetera.
When you cross the border from former east Germany into the Czech republic , you see many stalls with liquor, cigarettes manned by Vietnamese. Those are people who didn't want to return to the motherland after the communist countries changed side.
But they still are not fully accepted in those former soviet satellite states.

what do you know about Vn-meses living abroad ? "they sent a lot Vietnamese..", who are "they" ?!. I'm Vietnamese living with my whole family abroad in PL, and we sent "us" on our own, by ourselves, nobody told or persuade us to leave our country, just because, here s better to earn money , not because of"payment " , so funny.

but now we're talking about LOT , very good idea, and I've booked the tickets for the january flight for me and my family members :D

[andorra-airport]

what do you know about Vn-meses living abroad ? "they sent a lot Vietnamese..", who are "they" ?!.

I am sure Regi means with "they" the Vietnamese communists. At the end of the Vietnam war in 1975 the victorious Vietnamese communists got a large bill from Russia for military and other supplies. Since Vietnam was broke, it decided to send many thousands of its people abroad as labourers to work off the debt and to bring in some foreign exchange. As well as Russia, they went to other communist countries: East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary and Poland.

(a bit off-topic and non-airline related, but sorry I wanted to react)

[regi]

what do you know about Vn-meses living abroad ? "they sent a lot Vietnamese..", who are "they" ?!.

I am sure Regi means with "they" the Vietnamese communists. At the end of the Vietnam war in 1975 the victorious Vietnamese communists got a large bill from Russia for military and other supplies. Since Vietnam was broke, it decided to send many thousands of its people abroad as labourers to work off the debt and to bring in some foreign exchange. As well as Russia, they went to other communist countries: East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary and Poland.

(a bit off-topic and non-airline related, but sorry I wanted to react)

thank you for this help. It is exactly what I meant. Those Vietnamese sent abroad in the communist high days were not free to travel at all . They were sent obligatory to perform hard labour in factories and mines in central-eastern Europe.
When communism disappeared around 1988 many of these Vietnamese chose to stay in Europe instead of going back home. Vietnam could not offer a decent living to the returning labourers because it just was demobilising hundreds of thousands of soldiers coming back from Cambodia and Laos.
I feel a bit sad that nthcuahxk used the word "funny". It shows that this member of Vietnamese decent has less knowledge about the history of the Vietnamese expat community than me, a non Vietnamese. It seems that this person has no clue about recent history, even about his/her own people. Millions of Vietnamese fled their country in desperate ways, known as the boat people. Many others were sent obligatory by their communist leaders.
But let us keep it positive : it is good that nthcuahxk can choose freely his/her country of residence these days. And can travel to/from Vietnam in full freedom. And has a prosperous life.
To return to the subject: good for LOT

[nthcuahxk]

I feel a bit sad that nthcuahxk used the word "funny". It shows that this member of Vietnamese decent has less knowledge about the history of the Vietnamese expat community than me, a non Vietnamese. It seems that this person has no clue about recent history, even about his/her own people. Millions of Vietnamese fled their country in desperate ways, known as the boat people. Many others were sent obligatory by their communist leaders.

Less knowledge than you? maybe, because I left my country when I was 10, and I did not have chance to attend Vn History classes , but please check , where those "boat people" headed ?? to Eastern Europe or America ? I'm 100% sure that not to Eastern Europe. And I'm living here in Eastern Europe with my whole big family and I have many many friends and know plenty of ppl ( vn-meses living here) and none of them were "obligatory" sent. " Funny"

[andorra-airport]

nthcuahxk

You did not learn about Vietnamese history ? That is so sad to read, you, being a descendant of Vietnam!! But I guess you learned a bit, quoting your knowledge about the boat people, Regi mentioned. And your reply that you are sure 100% of the boat people did not go to Eastern-Europe, makes me feel more sad. Are you joking ? Of course not! Did your read my and Regi's post ? About the Vietnamese communists who had sended many many people to Russia and Eastern Europe to pay the bill ? That should answer the question! And that your family is not one of those,well, good for you. But please stop saying silly things. Shame on you that we in Europe know more about your history then yourself !

[sn26567]

This is a forum about aviation, not about the history of Vietnam (unless it relates to the history of aviation in Vietnam).

I ask everyone to stick to the topic, else I will archive this thread.

Thanks!

[earthman]

Yes, back on topic, the result of this connection to Hanoi is that after 13 years LOT is ending direct flights from Krakow to Chicago and New York.

[regi]

Yes, back on topic, the result of this connection to Hanoi is that after 13 years LOT is ending direct flights from Krakow to Chicago and New York.

Why?

[andorra-airport]

Why?

Here some translated news from Poland :

After nearly 13 years LOT Polish Airlines withdraws direct transatlantic flights between Krakow and American cities: Chicago and New York. The last Boeing 767 flight in the colors of LOT from Krakow to Chicago O'Hare International Airport will be held on 27 October.

Director of the Office of Krakow LOT Tyrankiewicz Hedwig told PAP on Monday that the decision of the board of the Polish national carrier Atlantic flights from Krakow will be closed for the winter season. They probably will not come back and also not in the next summer season.

Aircraft serving these routes will be directed to support new connections between Warsaw and the capital of Vietnam - Hanoi. - This is a management decision that flights to the United States will only be held by Warsaw airport in Okecie - Tyrankiewicz stated.

[regi]

Why?

Here some translated news from Poland :

After nearly 13 years LOT Polish Airlines withdraws direct transatlantic flights between Krakow and American cities: Chicago and New York. The last Boeing 767 flight in the colors of LOT from Krakow to Chicago O'Hare International Airport will be held on 27 October.

Director of the Office of Krakow LOT Tyrankiewicz Hedwig told PAP on Monday that the decision of the board of the Polish national carrier Atlantic flights from Krakow will be closed for the winter season. They probably will not come back and also not in the next summer season.

Aircraft serving these routes will be directed to support new connections between Warsaw and the capital of Vietnam - Hanoi. - This is a management decision that flights to the United States will only be held by Warsaw airport in Okecie - Tyrankiewicz stated.

Thank you

[sn26567]

It's over already: LOT suspends flights to Hanoi.

I guess that the poor financial situation of LOT has lead to the cancellation of this low-revenue loss-making tourist route.