Zaventem must go... ????? (Luc Coene, minister of state)

A318 · Post by **A318** » 12 Jan 2004, 10:08

ATC wrote:Alltough 2004 is just started, this must be the joke of 2004.

Luc Coene, minister of state has annouced in the newspaper "de zondag" that BRU (zaventem) must disappaer.
He says that
- zaventem is located at the wrong place of Brussels
- and the noicetrouble will not disappaer.

This guy is going to be the favorit of the left political parties and will be praised by the green left parties (like we have in Holland with Groen Links).
Those kind of people are the enemy of the economy and should be strictly forbidden!
But who am I, we suffer for years already under the smoke of the left parties

Erwin

Post by **sn26567** » 12 Jan 2004, 10:55

Here comes a dissenting opinion.

There is some logic in what Luc Coene says. Zaventem is too close to Brussels, and the number of night flights is limited. Hence, expansion can still go on for some years, but how long?

When Zaventem reaches its full capacity (whether on the number of pax, or on the number of night flights) the only alternative would be to go to another airport.

Since DHL does not want to operate from two different sites, it will move all its operations there.

A second national airport WILL be needed in 10 or 15 years. But that does not mean Zaventem must be closed.

My only wishes are that the second airport remains a national one, and that one starts thinking NOW to that problem.

Otherwise, it will be too late, and DHL will be at Leipzig, long-haul flights will depart from CGD, AMS, LHR and FRA, and Zaventem will become a "parochial" airport....

Captain · Post by **Captain** » 12 Jan 2004, 12:32

Nooo!

BRU is currently well located very close to Brussels city. There was previously a discussion in the forum mentioning that BRU was very conveniently located near the Capital, motorways, etc... compared to other european airports. Location is good.

There are currently 2 runways and lot's of room for extra capacity (since death of Sabena). Is it really necessary to build an airport 45 min from Brussels?

The approach the government should take is to increase the capacity at regional airports (Antwerp, Charleroi, Liege, etc) instead of just focusing on the main International airport. Other countries are starting to adopt this concept which makes sense for 100's of reasons.

Captain.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 12 Jan 2004, 14:03

As the "capital of Europe", I think that Brussels needs an airport, and the current one is very well located and the transport links are excellent.

If this airport were to be closed down, then would this make Brussels the only capital city in the world without an airport?

Post by **sn26567** » 12 Jan 2004, 14:47

Comet wrote:If this airport were to be closed down, then would this make Brussels the only capital city in the world without an airport?

That's not what Luc Coene has in mind. His idea is to re-locate te airport in Chièvres, an area where there are no noise problems and where the airport can expand to a much larger size than in Zaventem. It is at only 50 km from Brussels, the same distance as oter major European airports (Malpensa is at 60 km from Milan). It has good motorway and HST connections with Brussels.

bravo767 · Post by **bravo767** » 12 Jan 2004, 15:30

Hi

If a lot of people agrees that EBBR is too close from Town, that it could lead to a catastrophe in case of an accident; that it is very noise sensitive etc... then, yes, it is time to think about a new place.
That place must be convenient for all; with no densily populated area; easy reachable to and from the capital; not far away.... etc.
That place exist but needs some works. BEAUVECHAIN!!!! It will need a link to the E40; easy also to bend a little the TGV line; plenty of place around.
But in that case, better to start right now!!!! Remember!! The Germans moved Munich Airport in one night after finding a convenient place not too far away from town. Naturally, as always, lots of people will complain.... but that idea is probably the less stupid one. No wonder that no politicians ever thought about it...
Happy landings
L

Flybe · Post by **Flybe** » 12 Jan 2004, 15:40

A second national airport WILL be needed in 10 or 15 years.

First: If you then move all the cargo out of BRU, you still have more then enough place for passangersflights. Second, you do not have to create a new airport! You upgrade a cargo airport, for more cargo, or in the worst case, you can indeed build a new cargo airport, which costs much less then passenger terminals, and also probably take less time to construct.

My only wishes are that the second airport remains a national one, and that one starts thinking NOW to that problem.

I think that we still have time for that, judging the situation at BRU now. But it is always good to start thinking about it, if it is in a ordenly and constructive sense!!! Politicians DO NOT think about 10 to 15 years, they have a limitied view of 4 years! Privatise BIAC, and give them the task to see which possibilities there are and to work the best possibility out. They will do a much better long term job then any politicians can! They aren't biased by a 4 years election view, and they have the professional skills to deal with it!

Pieter

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 12 Jan 2004, 20:41

Captain wrote:Nooo!

BRU is currently well located very close to Brussels city. There was previously a discussion in the forum mentioning that BRU was very conveniently located near the Capital, motorways, etc... compared to other european airports. Location is good.

Captain,

The location of EBBR is ideal for DHL I agree. But considering the noise issue, saftey reasons ..... it is much too close.

I also think that it would be wise to start thinking about a new NATIONAL airport in Belgium for the future. It'll be too late to start building a new airport in 20 years.
But that issue should not make politicians think that BRU should be closed immediately because it has no future.
BRU has a still a lot to offer. There are 2 young terminals (1 and 7 years old I think

). And there is still a lot of free space left....

Regards
Chris
8)

Post by **sn26567** » 20 Jun 2005, 13:56

Just for the record: do you know where Luc Coene lives?

No?

Sterrebeek!

That explains why he does not want aeroplanes in his backyard!

regi · Post by **regi** » 20 Jun 2005, 15:21

Let us turn it around: every body who signed a petition, even many years ago, against the airport is not more allowed to fly to/from this airport.
So, an airplane carrying such a subversive element comes by Delta air from the States, and somewhere above the ocean, the plane is diverted to Ostend or Charleroi.
The list of those subversive elements will not be made public. Very sad for them when they want to board the plane to Strassbourg as a member of european parliament for one or other green party. Nope, madame, you won't fly from Zaventem, new regulation.
The same rule accounts for all inhabitants of communities who don't want the planes above their heads, but insist they would all fly day in day out over the flemish their head.
The same rule would count for jobs: anybody from a community that voted against the airport shouldn't even enter the airport anymore, even to work.
Are you with me? Are you my friend?

B744skipper · Post by **B744skipper** » 20 Jun 2005, 16:52

regi wrote:Are you with me? Are you my friend?

I'm with you for sure, I also have been thinking about this.
If people are not willing to take the burden and consequences of it, they also should not be able to use the advantages of it.
This is probably wishfull thinking, one could not implement such a policy and it would probably hurt business.

But thinking about such a repression against "certain" people is nice though! :devil2:

Ozzie1969 · Post by **Ozzie1969** » 20 Jun 2005, 16:59

Well, of course it's true that people who build or buy a house right next to an airport should have no right to complain. But why did our politicians ever allow these houses to be built in the first place? The more people in the community, the more pay the mayor gets, is that it? Maybe there should be a total amnesty declared : everybody that lives within earshot of the airport can sell their house to the government, who in turn will sell it on to people who don't mind living close to an airport (of course, any complaints about "noise" will be laughed away after that). And if there are houses that are really so badly located that they are impossible to sell, let them be demolished. Let's get this nonsense over and done with once and for all, for goodness' sakes!

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 20 Jun 2005, 17:28

The topic goes about somebody with no experience with airlines and airports: he appointed himself as vice governor BNB (Banque Nationale de Belgique - Nationale Bank van België)

(till recently, Mr Coene was chief of cabinet of our prime minister, which means first row if there are prices to be given away)

http://www.nbb.be/pub/01_00_00_00_00/01 ... ?l=en&t=ho

MKAirlines · Post by **MKAirlines** » 20 Jun 2005, 18:37

regi wrote:Let us turn it around: every body who signed a petition, even many years ago, against the airport is not more allowed to fly to/from this airport.

Maybe another solution is to let these people pay more money for there ticket lets say "a tax", but a big one!
its a bit less drastic

Greetings,

Nico

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 20 Jun 2005, 18:41

a soundpollution tax

ERICAIRLINES · Post by **ERICAIRLINES** » 20 Jun 2005, 19:24

we do not need another airport !! bru has a lot of capacity in reserve...even for the next 20 years !!please don t make the BIG mistake of double airports for one medium scale city(milan,montreal,glasgow,stockholm,buenos aires,sao,rio,belo horizonte,even moscow...)
Brussels is far too small to handle two airports...bru is very close to city center with perfect train connections(frequent and enough fast)...bru just needs more parking space,the tgv(but it is too late for me..),more shops,more long hauls destinations(will have some in the very near future)....but please belgian politicians :stay out of this!!Let the new australian owner deliver the job !!
About the people living near the airport..sorry people you knew this when you decided one day to buy a home near an airport...too easy to protest now..not happy? leave the area though...

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 20 Jun 2005, 19:52

B737229 wrote:Lets make another airport about 80km out of the center, like Malpensa, but we will call it 'Bruxeles Malpensé'

Malatesta!

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