Ryanair comes back to Ostend !

[jan_olieslagers]

What makes you call a train ticket from Ostend to Antwerp or Brussels "extremely expensive" ? Cared to compare with foreign train rates for similar distances?

[jessy]

I think what he means is that within the last 2 years train ticket prices shot up pretty much. Compare a train ticket now with 1,5 years ago ...

[Charlie Roy]

And when they land in OST and want to go to Antwerp or Brussels by train they'll pay an extremely expensive train ticket, thus already minimizing the price difference between FR and let's say SN?

I wouldn't consider a maximum of €14.60 return to any Belgian train station (with a Rail Pass) expensive. What foreign countries are cheaper? I'd be very interested to hear...

Anyway nobody is suggesting that if Antwerp, Brussels or Liège are your final destination then you should Ryanair it to Ostend and take the train. However if you are travelling from Catalonia to Bruges then the Girona to Ostend route will in many cases be the best option for someone, instead of flying to Brussels (or Charleroi).

The routes from Gerona and Malaga are in any case likely to create some jobs (at the airport for example).
And even though I expect inbound tourism to be limited, at least it's something.
Moreover, having the word Bruges on the Ryanair route map is promotion in itself. Some German guy checking out the routes from Hahn for a citytrip notices the Ostend/Bruges dot and considers "maybe I vill drive zere for a break"... Londoners reading the inflight magazine and seeing Bruges in the destination guide may think "Oh, it might be nice to go visit Bruges sometime by ferry/eurostar"... etc.

Eitherway I believe this to be very good news for the airport

Will they base an plane in OST ? Or will a plane fly CRL-GIR-OST-GIR-CRL ?

No, the routes will be operated by aircraft from the respective Spanish bases. A Girona based aircraft will operate GIR-OST-GIR and a Malaga based aircraft will operate AGP-OST-AGP.

[Stij]

Oh common, the market is clearly Belgains flying to the Spanish beach and not vice versa! So thank-you city of Bruges sponsoring my holiday to Spain!!!

Hasta la vista!

Stij

[regi]

So why should the owners of expensive hotels pay for passengers of a LCC ? Those Ryanair passengers will not stay at The Tuileries or Duc de Bourgogne. Probably in a dorm room at the Bauhaus, Passage or Snuffel.
And why should I as a Brugian let my council pay for Ryanair's facilities if it is to bring in passengers who won't leave a lot of money behind?

Your contempt of the Ryanair customers is still the same as before !
Obviously, you have never much flown on FR flights; their passengers are perfectly decent people, same as those who travel on other airlines - in economy class, admittedly.
If they pay 30 euros for the FR flight to Ostend instead of 120 or 150 euros for an SN or IB flight to Brussels, they will have more money to spend in Flanders ...

I flew Ryanair before but not anymore. My experience with Ryanair is terrible , with a 4 hour delay causing the cancelation of a business meeting near Charleroi, and 4 hours extra parking fee, drinks at Glasgow etcetera. No thank you.
I don't look down on backpackers. But I don't want to pay for their cheap holidays . Simple. I don't care if they cannot afford to stay in Bruges because the hotels are too expensive ad overall transport costs unaffordable. It will encourage them later on when they have a good income to spend here a lot of money. Not the sandwich bought at the supermarket near the Bauhaus.
I live here. The garbage ( empty bottles, food packages, hamburger boxes ) that the city has to clean up around the Bauhaus youth hostel is much more than around the Tuileries...I see this every day when I go into town and pass by those youth hostels.
And thinking about it: no, Ryanair passengers are not decent people. It is the only airline I disgust because of its passengers besides of Biman. I don't like Dutch passengers going to a sailing regatta in Italy who put on life jackets and all kind of clothes to save weight and sit next to me. ( flight Eindhoven-Bergamo). It is an utter bunch of cheap charlies, uneducated, disobeying, crawling and fighting scrum to get "the best place". So yes, you are right: I do look down on them and I don't want that trash in my city. And I certainly don't want to pay to clean up their mess - vomit and piss included. It is very clear that you don't know where you talk about. Ask the people in the Langestraat and the Ezelstraat. The complaints about those youth hostels are a constant returning problem during city cuncil meetings.

[regi]

Oh common, the market is clearly Belgains flying to the Spanish beach and not vice versa! So thank-you city of Bruges sponsoring my holiday to Spain!!!

Hasta la vista!

Stij

I am afraid that Stijn tells the truth. Now with 20% unemployment in Spain, I don't expect a lot of Spanish tourists in Bruges. Probably some illegal workers in restaurants. ( no problem with that: at least they do work and the restaurants still have serious problems to hire personnel despite the massive lay offs in the Bruges area )

Before everybody starts to shout at me , can somebody give me 1 good reason why I should agree that MY money should be spent on holidays of other people ?
Why should I subsidise the job of somebody at Ostend ?

[Acid-drop]

seriously ...

[cnc]

Before everybody starts to shout at me , can somebody give me 1 good reason why I should agree that MY money should be spent on holidays of other people ?
Why should I subsidise the job of somebody at Ostend ?

why do we pay for criminals to have a luxury lifestyle in prison? for incompetant ministers etc?
atleast its money spend in the aviaton sector and only time can tell if its going to be a good choice or not

[airazurxtror]

And thinking about it: no, Ryanair passengers are not decent people.
It is very clear that you don't know where you talk about.

I have just completed my 300th flight on Ryanair.
I think I can have an opinion on the Ryanair passengers, who are, in the vast majority, very decent people, me included if you allow it.
(I am not sorry I won't have the pleasure to meet you on an FR flight; one can do very nicely without your sort of people). i).

[cathay belgium]

Regi,

I never tought I must react on a topic about FR in a positive way,
but since I tried FR I guess I swopped sides !
I use FR for ' flying just for the fun of it ', what means to me 1/2day return trips for visiting some
cities in europe in a cheap way, as I just can't afford to this with 'normal' carriers.
I'm just a normal guy with 'normal' wages and a mortage and a family so....
I think FR clients ( and we are with a bunch and growing each year ) are decent people,
students and fun flyers are in the majority that's true but they look all decent to me..
So I think you've -gone a bridge too far this time -!
Use FR for what's it worth !
FR is nice good and cheap and you know before how they treat people with all the extras and no service,
you pay what's you gonna get and shut up ! ( MOL is right on this )
Okay with family I always fly SN-LH-IB- .. JAF !
Because I know what I get and don't get, I never complain about it,it's cheap!
So as a decent guy ...

but hey..
with this I think also that taxmoney may not be used for these reasons...
there more important things to do nowadays...
besides.. every carrier must be treated and taxed on the same level!
at every airport ( incl LGG,BRU,CRL,...) one country one rule! ( my opinion,LCC or not )
even if this means that FR leaves Belgium,
let's talk serious, a FR must make money on it but so the belgian government,if not ooops..
We can't pay tax money to FR just to fly... we better put money in our own carrier than, Sabena?
More sides on one story!

and also I don't expect a lot of spanish/catalan people visiting belgium,this does not
mean that they're all poor over there, a little bit too black/white!
Maybe MOL should consider flying LCC from OST to Narita (in codeshare with ANA )..



in the pub... I remember... the successor of NCB is raised
THX for bringing some more life in luchtzak, have a pint !
ON FR and OST ! ( but I prefer EIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

Haha, NICE WEEKEND..
CX-B

[fretn]

Oh common, the market is clearly Belgains flying to the Spanish beach and not vice versa! So thank-you city of Bruges sponsoring my holiday to Spain!!!

Hasta la vista!

Stij

I am afraid that Stijn tells the truth. Now with 20% unemployment in Spain, I don't expect a lot of Spanish tourists in Bruges. Probably some illegal workers in restaurants. ( no problem with that: at least they do work and the restaurants still have serious problems to hire personnel despite the massive lay offs in the Bruges area )

Before everybody starts to shout at me , can somebody give me 1 good reason why I should agree that MY money should be spent on holidays of other people ?
Why should I subsidise the job of somebody at Ostend ?

Because that person generates money for your pension, and YOUR social welfare...
it's the basics of the belgian system, i thought you knew more of that...
your money has been going to mol ever since he started ops at chaleroi

[pressman]

Small country , small minds .

[regi]

Oh common, the market is clearly Belgains flying to the Spanish beach and not vice versa! So thank-you city of Bruges sponsoring my holiday to Spain!!!

Hasta la vista!

Stij

I am afraid that Stijn tells the truth. Now with 20% unemployment in Spain, I don't expect a lot of Spanish tourists in Bruges. Probably some illegal workers in restaurants. ( no problem with that: at least they do work and the restaurants still have serious problems to hire personnel despite the massive lay offs in the Bruges area )

Before everybody starts to shout at me , can somebody give me 1 good reason why I should agree that MY money should be spent on holidays of other people ?
Why should I subsidise the job of somebody at Ostend ?

Because that person generates money for your pension, and YOUR social welfare...
it's the basics of the belgian system, i thought you knew more of that...
your money has been going to mol ever since he started ops at chaleroi

Wrong answer: the flying personnel will not be stationed and employed under Belgian law, so no money to my pension. I am a self employed person and have to save money to get a normal pension in the long future.
I know more than you about that.

[regi]

Small country , small minds .

Right. People from Bruges are well known to be like that. I admit it. And I come out for my opinion.
So I repeat it as a 100% born and raised Brugian : I don't want to pay for people their holidays and I don't like cheap charlies who only litter my city and don't contribute to my own life. Such people are not welcome. Stay away.
I really don't understand that other members seem to like it that their place gets crowded, littered, urinated and vomited all over ( no exageration : I went especially this morning to the Langestraat and in the side alley of the youth hostel it is again a "public toilet" Thank you , uneducated world travellers )

[regi]

Before everybody starts to shout at me , can somebody give me 1 good reason why I should agree that MY money should be spent on holidays of other people ?
Why should I subsidise the job of somebody at Ostend ?

why do we pay for criminals to have a luxury lifestyle in prison? for incompetant ministers etc?
atleast its money spend in the aviaton sector and only time can tell if its going to be a good choice or not

We don't talk about prisons and politicians, it is about Ryanair coming back to Ostend.
We had the experience already. Money has been spent already. And Ryanair left us behind with many unpaid bills in the long term.
Time has told us and we can draw our conclusions.

[regi]

And thinking about it: no, Ryanair passengers are not decent people.
It is very clear that you don't know where you talk about.

I have just completed my 300th flight on Ryanair.
I think I can have an opinion on the Ryanair passengers, who are, in the vast majority, very decent people, me included if you allow it.
(I am not sorry I won't have the pleasure to meet you on an FR flight; one can do very nicely without your sort of people). i).

You and Cathay ( and other happy and decent Ryanair customers ) are right that I have to change my language about generalising. My personnel problem is that during each Ryanair flight I had - less than 300 - there were some passengers who behaved completely out of the ordinary. And it was a behaviour that I have not seen during one of my many hundred other flights, except of with Biman.

I excuse myself to have generalised it . I was focused too much on those few passengers and must correct myself by telling that most of the passengers behaved normally.

[regi]

By the way : Ryanair is not yet back at Ostend, just talking about it.
In this case I have succeeded - unintentionally - to take over NCB his role , as Cathay put it nicely.
Anyway, it has stirred up the emotions a bit.
I do almost sound as O'Learry and that remark about paying to go to the toilet on board of Ryanair flights.

[Maho Bay]

Small country , small minds .

Right. People from Bruges are well known to be like that. I admit it. And I come out for my opinion.
So I repeat it as a 100% born and raised Brugian : I don't want to pay for people their holidays and I don't like cheap charlies who only litter my city and don't contribute to my own life. Such people are not welcome. Stay away.
I really don't understand that other members seem to like it that their place gets crowded, littered, urinated and vomited all over ( no exageration : I went especially this morning to the Langestraat and in the side alley of the youth hostel it is again a "public toilet" Thank you , uneducated world travellers )

Regi,

Being a 100% born and raised Brugian as well and living maybe 500 meters from the Bauhaus youth hostel I often go there for a drink. Obviously, and especially during warm summer nights, littering and other things you mentioned do occure. However, I seriously think the brand new party place "entrenous" (attracting young local people) causes more problems you mentioned then Bauhaus-clients.
But yes, lot's of people staying at Bauhaus are Spanish people.

Let's face it, if you book a room in Hotel Portinari next to all cafes at "het Zand" you will smell urine and see vomit as well. There have been major issues between "relax cafe" and Hotel Navarra. You can blame certain tourists travelling on a budget, but please do not forget there are locals causing problems as wel.
It would be a shame if only wealthy visiters would have the chance to see our beautiful city.

I don't like Ryanair as well, but since my last flights between Charleroi and Madrid I just have to admit I was wrong about the average Ryanair-passenger. Maybe I was just lucky, but I didn't see a big difference between pax on a transatlantic flight and the people on these flights.

[Maho Bay]

I excuse myself to have generalised it . I was focused too much on those few passengers and must correct myself by telling that most of the passengers behaved normally.

Didn't read this post before answering your previous message.

[mitsuo.namen]

FR is a good airline. i flew LH,SN,LX etc... in the past and all are great.
With Ryanair, you have what you pay for.... their seats are very comfortable too.
last month, i flew with them to Roma for 25€. Mallorca too for 16€. If you want a sandwich, it's 5€.
It's the market. A lot of people doesn't care about services. they just want to go to their destinations with the best fares. their planes are new and full of pax.