BRU summer 2010: latest news, routes, airlines

[JOVAN]

SN's STAR alliance entrance definitely is attracting a long of new long haul connections to BRU!

AC (Montreal), UA (Chicago), US (Philadelphia)....

Starting to see my point when I made the remark a few months ago BRU should better bend over backwards for SN and focus on their needs, rather than snub at them and focus on some ridiculous low cost project?

SN has managed to attract more long haul routes to BRU in a couple of months, than BRU airport has on its own in the past few years!

My next guess :
TG to BKK
ANA to TYO

And lets hope BRU management opens their eyes and stops the idiot LCC-terminal idea.

[Atlantis]

Starting to see my point when I made the remark a few months ago BRU should better bend over backwards for SN and focus on their needs, rather than snub at them and focus on some ridiculous low cost project?

SN has managed to attract more long haul routes to BRU in a couple of months, than BRU airport has on its own in the past few years!

Your point?? Sorry but don't be that arrogant. The real people behind the scenes know better. Airlines don't take a decision to fly to one specific destination in a few months. That SN joins an alliance is very good but the real contacts with new potential carriers was made YEARS ago by Brussels Airport. New long haul carriers who entered BRU the last couple of years were Hainan, Jet airways, Royal Jordanian, US Airways, Northwest (stopped their ops), Ethiopian Airlines, etc.
I didn't hear any complaint.

BTW it will be thanks to LH that SN can survive.

[RoMax]

But you can't ignore that al that long haul stuff is going faster the last months. For some airliners a new route to BRU was an absolutly "no-go" without the support of SN. BRU need to be thankfull to SN, LH (for sure) and *A. This routes would have been comme also without SN but later, much later.

[JOVAN]

Starting to see my point when I made the remark a few months ago BRU should better bend over backwards for SN and focus on their needs, rather than snub at them and focus on some ridiculous low cost project?

SN has managed to attract more long haul routes to BRU in a couple of months, than BRU airport has on its own in the past few years!

Your point?? Sorry but don't be that arrogant. The real people behind the scenes know better. Airlines don't take a decision to fly to one specific destination in a few months. That SN joins an alliance is very good but the real contacts with new potential carriers was made YEARS ago by Brussels Airport. New long haul carriers who entered BRU the last couple of years were Hainan, Jet airways, Royal Jordanian, US Airways, Northwest (stopped their ops), Ethiopian Airlines, etc.
I didn't hear any complaint.

BTW it will be thanks to LH that SN can survive.

Well Atlantis, you cannot deny that the *A expansion is substantial and structural.
A real business approach.

9W and Hainan: OK Good job? "real people behind the scenes", but

SN at *A is the real big thing.

[Vinnie-Winnie]

My next guess :
TG to BKK
ANA to TYO

And lets hope BRU management opens their eyes and stops the idiot LCC-terminal idea.

Via FRA you mean!

Idiotic for you you mean. get a life these people know much better the situation than you or I do! They have access to databases we could only dream of. Stats that show OD's which enables BRU airport management to know where to focus their effort.

But you it is just wishful thinking with a lot of bias and no feet on the ground!

Well Atlantis, you cannot deny that the *A expansion is substantial and structural.
A real business approach.

9W and Hainan: OK Good job? "real people behind the scenes", but

SN at *A is the real big thing.

haha SN entering Star is the end of your dreams. You'll see in a couple of years how the market will change in Europe. Star alliance will route people mainly through FRA and ZHR unless there is high yielding demand on a p2p bases. So the real deal for is actually attracting the likes of Hainan and Jet no matter what you htink.

[DannyVDB]

Everyone forgot the AA BOS-LHR-BRU flight with B767

Cheers,
Danny

[teach]

Everyone forgot the AA BOS-LHR-BRU flight with B767

That's for this winter, not for summer 2010. It's a pretty safe bet that by summer 2010, that flight will be gone again. The main reason AA will operate the flight is because they're dropping some transatlantic flights to LHR this winter, and so they need to do something with the unused slots. Same with UA.

[RoMax]

Without the economical crisis, ANA would already anounced flights to BRU. They did multiple examinations in BRU for a non-stop route and that was very succesfull. They are already thinking for years to fly to BRU. But now 1 big problem, the crisis. Wait and see, I am pritty sure that ANA will start a non-stop service Tokyo, Brussels in 2010 or 2011. Even they fly to FRA, CDG and LHR only, the market in BRU is big for Tokyo. And a lot other *A hubs in Europe has already connections by their home carrier and some non-*A hubs by JAL to Japan, so that is an important reason wy they only fly to FRA, LHR and CDG. Trust me BRU will be the 4th European ANA destination.

[JOVAN]

Without the economical crisis, ANA would already anounced flights to BRU. They did multiple examinations in BRU for a non-stop route and that was very succesfull. They are already thinking for years to fly to BRU. But now 1 big problem, the crisis. Wait and see, I am pritty sure that ANA will start a non-stop service Tokyo, Brussels in 2010 or 2011. Even they fly to FRA, CDG and LHR only, the market in BRU is big for Tokyo. And a lot other *A hubs in Europe has already connections by their home carrier and some non-*A hubs by JAL to Japan, so that is an important reason wy they only fly to FRA, LHR and CDG. Trust me BRU will be the 4th European ANA destination.

It is also my feeling that it works this way.

Once the crisis is over, the Japanese will come back to Europe. Their absolute favourite holiday place.

*A works that way.
Not like AF or KL who see this land only as a market to plunder.
The Germans are building up things, and will use BRU as a platform to 'shoot' at AMS and French market.

*A already has ten of thousens miles & more members in B; so this frequent travellers will only be happy to see services and flights extended and enhanced.

Then next TG.

[JOVAN]

haha SN entering Star is the end of your dreams. You'll see in a couple of years how the market will change in Europe. Star alliance will route people mainly through FRA and ZHR unless there is high yielding demand on a p2p bases. So the real deal for is actually attracting the likes of Hainan and Jet no matter what you htink.

Reading your profecies and comments makes me smile.

$tar is a real professional orgnization, just building the biggest Alliance ever.
They will make BRU grow (or shrink).

BRU better listens to them then to consultants (?) like you (?) ...

Wait and see.

[Vinnie-Winnie]

Reading your profecies and comments makes me smile.

$tar is a real professional orgnization, just building the biggest Alliance ever.
They will make BRU grow (or shrink).

BRU better listens to them then to consultants (?) like you (?) ...

Wait and see.

Yes I'm active in the passenger transport sector and that for a few years now and though my prophecies make you laugh they are way more realistic than I hope, I wish, I dream, I'd love, I think... May be wrong

Putting all your faith in one alliance that is trying to become one of the big 3 europe is from a business perspective utter madness.

Who are you?

[JOVAN]

Who are you?

A frequent flyer (very frequent) and critical customer.
Furthermore an aviation enthusiast.

Consumers nowadays have the right to speak, express their feelings, comments,..

Maybe times will come that only experts and specialists will decide without taking in account consumers opinions.
Maybe not.

[JOVAN]

SN's STAR alliance entrance definitely is attracting a long of new long haul connections to BRU!

AC (Montreal), UA (Chicago), US (Philadelphia)....

Starting to see my point when I made the remark a few months ago BRU should better bend over backwards for SN and focus on their needs, rather than snub at them and focus on some ridiculous low cost project?

SN has managed to attract more long haul routes to BRU in a couple of months, than BRU airport has on its own in the past few years!

Very good chance that Egyptair goes daily in summer season 2010.

[RoMax]

For the moment it is only 5 times a week and they will drop Luxor for that. I suppose that they haven't enough planes. End 2010, begin 2011 they will have a lot more new 738's and A320's so maybe summer 2011 daily but I am afraid that this summer it will stay 5 times a week.

[Vinnie-Winnie]

Who are you?

A frequent flyer (very frequent) and critical customer.
Furthermore an aviation enthusiast.

Consumers nowadays have the right to speak, express their feelings, comments,..

Maybe times will come that only experts and specialists will decide without taking in account consumers opinions.
Maybe not.

It shows... I also have a wishlist for things and products i use. Issue being that I don't know much about them. So I read a lot and select my sources before emitting an opinion, especially in Public. Search a book written by a guy called Rigas Doganis, may give u a little more insight about things.

In the meantime I'm stopping arguing, and happily go back to only think about transport issues in my job.

ps: In my few years in the transport business, probably half the time I've actually been dealing directly with how consumers behave. What we call wilingness to pay, revealed preference or stated preference questionnaire. Get some insight before judging!

[Atlantis]

I think it would be difficult for AA to maintain a daily 763 from ORD to BRU without codeshare of SN and with UA offering also a non-stop flight. The same with JFK, Delta is going to upgrade agian to a daily 763 like some years ago and AA will miss the codeshares of SN there to.
There is one thing on the transatlantic market where I am still hoping for, Houston by CO. And of course

Allow me to say that AA took some precautions about SN and *A.

BRU is and stay for AA one of the most important European destinations. BRU is also one of the very few destinations were they can make money. AA is very happy with BRU as destination. BTW in a couple of days we will see a third daily AA flight at BRU coming from BOS via LHR (slots).

Some time ago AA signed a cooperation with Jet Airways. Both, AA and 9W, are codesharing on each other flights, except ORD, and this all via BRU. This was important for AA because 9W is the biggest pax long haul carrier at BRU and they are flying to several destinations in India.

Competition will be hard to North-America. As from next year 13 daily flights to the US with big planes: B777, B767, B757, A330, A310

[Atlantis]

wow, that's going be a lot of capacity to N-America:

UA 777 to IAD

According to the booking engine of United they will switch from a B777 to a B763 (looked on different dates)
Starting with the new summer schedule.

[Conti764]

According to the booking engine of United they will switch from a B777 to a B763 (looked on different dates)
Starting with the new summer schedule.

So another T7 will be gone in BRU?

[Bralo20]

Yep,

UA951/950 will be downgraded from a 772 to a 763.

[Atlantis]

According to the booking engine of United they will switch from a B777 to a B763 (looked on different dates)
Starting with the new summer schedule.

So another T7 will be gone in BRU?

Better a downgrade in aircraft then no flight.

Besides like I already said competition will be very hard. They have to downsize will they fill their plane.