Hi all!
A question...a friend of mine was talking about an aircraft which you can build yourself and it has the name 'puce du ciel'. Does anyone know which aircraft this is or which manufacturer makes the parts of this aircraft?
Thanks for your response!
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"Pou du ciel" aircraft
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Re: Puce du ciel aircraft
Correct spelling is a nice thing... search the web for "Pou du Ciel" and thou shalt find... You might also search for its creator, Mr. Henri Mignet. , or for HM.263, the official type designator.
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Seems I was mistaken, it is not an HM.263 but rather HM.293
Good info to be found on www.rsab.be, including drawings for some hardware.
Much more to find on www.rsafrance.com but you'll have to find it.
And both sites are in French only.
Good info to be found on www.rsab.be, including drawings for some hardware.
Much more to find on www.rsafrance.com but you'll have to find it.
And both sites are in French only.
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And which would be the average costs of building the HM 293?
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Re: "Pou du ciel" aircraft
That question is quite impossible to answer, there are too many variables. Just some rough ideas:
-) the basic rule of thumb is 1/3 for the airframe, 1/3 for the engine, 1/3 for instruments. It seems unlikely though that this rule will hold true for a minimalistic plane like the Pou du Ciel
-) airframe will be the hardest part, as I understand it is not easy to find aircraft quality wood in Belgium. An expert woodworker could help you save lots of money by careful knowledgeable selection of wood. Lots of wisdom to be found on the blog of one Bob Hoover but he writes from a USA situation, quite different from Europe.
-) engine must depend on availability. ISTR the Pou du Ciel was designed around a 2CV engine but these must be getting rare. And will you fly behind an engine you plucked from a wrecked car in a salvage yard?
-) instrumentation is not to be underestimated, there are some legal minima to be met. If buying new you should count 1000 euri at least. Radio and transponder are expensive, and perhaps you don't want them anyway, either for their weight or their electrical hunger. They are not really required, but in these low countries your available airspace and aerodromes will be very limited without them.
Fazit: first define the mission, then find a plane fit to it, and what equipment to add; then consider the budgets of available time and money.
-) the basic rule of thumb is 1/3 for the airframe, 1/3 for the engine, 1/3 for instruments. It seems unlikely though that this rule will hold true for a minimalistic plane like the Pou du Ciel
-) airframe will be the hardest part, as I understand it is not easy to find aircraft quality wood in Belgium. An expert woodworker could help you save lots of money by careful knowledgeable selection of wood. Lots of wisdom to be found on the blog of one Bob Hoover but he writes from a USA situation, quite different from Europe.
-) engine must depend on availability. ISTR the Pou du Ciel was designed around a 2CV engine but these must be getting rare. And will you fly behind an engine you plucked from a wrecked car in a salvage yard?
-) instrumentation is not to be underestimated, there are some legal minima to be met. If buying new you should count 1000 euri at least. Radio and transponder are expensive, and perhaps you don't want them anyway, either for their weight or their electrical hunger. They are not really required, but in these low countries your available airspace and aerodromes will be very limited without them.
Fazit: first define the mission, then find a plane fit to it, and what equipment to add; then consider the budgets of available time and money.
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save on the instruments, you don't need them. The first aircraft also didn't have instruments.
The Wright brothers and Blériot did survive.
It would be absolutely illegal to leave out the instruments, not certify your airplane and take off and land from , let's say ,the beach at low tide.
But what can happen? You get a fine and a note that your airplane has to be conform very expensive regulations. Don't obey, just pay the fine and keep on flying.
Because your airplane will not fly long distances and stay in the air for a long time, the chance to be caught will be quite minimal.
After a year or what, and maybe some fines, and maybe a conviction, or even a confiscation, you can decide to pay for the instruments and go through a 10 year certification program. It will be cheap to buy back your confiscated airplane because...you didn't install expensive equipment.
The Wright brothers and Blériot did survive.
It would be absolutely illegal to leave out the instruments, not certify your airplane and take off and land from , let's say ,the beach at low tide.
But what can happen? You get a fine and a note that your airplane has to be conform very expensive regulations. Don't obey, just pay the fine and keep on flying.
Because your airplane will not fly long distances and stay in the air for a long time, the chance to be caught will be quite minimal.
After a year or what, and maybe some fines, and maybe a conviction, or even a confiscation, you can decide to pay for the instruments and go through a 10 year certification program. It will be cheap to buy back your confiscated airplane because...you didn't install expensive equipment.
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Yeah that's the way to goregi wrote:save on the instruments, you don't need them. The first aircraft also didn't have instruments.
The Wright brothers and Blériot did survive.
It would be absolutely illegal to leave out the instruments, not certify your airplane and take off and land from , let's say ,the beach at low tide.
But what can happen? You get a fine and a note that your airplane has to be conform very expensive regulations. Don't obey, just pay the fine and keep on flying.
Because your airplane will not fly long distances and stay in the air for a long time, the chance to be caught will be quite minimal.
After a year or what, and maybe some fines, and maybe a conviction, or even a confiscation, you can decide to pay for the instruments and go through a 10 year certification program. It will be cheap to buy back your confiscated airplane because...you didn't install expensive equipment.
Don't come crying when you break your neck and there's no-one to help you..If you are really interested in a Pou-du-Ciel, I know of one that is for sale (OO-04!!)
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Well said Willem! Though I don't think he'll be able to cry loud with a broken neck.
Re: "Pou du ciel" aircraft
hey, sorry guys, it wasn't me who was trying to get airborn in a cheap way.
I only made a suggestion.
I won't assemble an airplane in my garage, no worries.
I only made a suggestion.
I won't assemble an airplane in my garage, no worries.