Hewa Bora at BRU

[LX-LGX]

"... Het management van RAK Airways en Hewa Bora Airways hebben beslist een nieuwe sterke Congolese luchtvaartmaatschappij op te richten die volledig zal beantwoorden aan de internationale veiligheidsnormen, zoals voorgeschreven door ICAO International Civil Aviation Organization...".

(RAK and HBA will set up a new Congo-airline that wil totally comply to the international safety standards, as predicted by ICAO).

Nice. Impressive. Excellent. Good news. But not relevant:

1) The decision if an airline my - or may not - fly in/out Europe is not taken by ICAO, but by the European Union (Directorate-General Energy and Transport).

2) Most airlines who are banned in the European Union have an ICAO designation number. But yet they're banned. And some banned carriers have brand new and superb aircraft - like the 777 from TAAG (Angola).

3) For most African airliners, the cause of their ban is not the airline itself, but the unreliable civil aviation authority from their country. If the new setup HBA/RAK will be based in Congo, the problem remains. For those who haven't been in Africa yet, have a look at Transparency International's 2008 Corruption Perceptions Index:
http://www.transparency.org/policy_rese ... s/cpi/2008

4) However, banned airlines may wetlease aircraft from a non banned airline: "...Air carriers listed in Annex A could be permitted to exercise traffic rights by using wet-leased aircraft of an air carrier which is not subject to an operating ban, provided that the relevant safety standards are complied with..." So this wetlease is not a right that is given automaticly: HBA has to ask for it, and the European Union has to approve it. HBA has choosen RAK Airways for this wetlease. Is that a good choice? I don't know that airline, I only know they are grounded since 9th January 2009 (source: justplanes.com).

5) Therefore, it surely was not a good idea from HBA to setup a new airline that is also based in the D.R. Congo. Mauritius or United Arab Emirates would have been a better idea...

[sdbelgium]

Schedule loaded in Amadeus EFF 30MAY09:

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Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- 
EO        106    FIH  09:45     BRU  19:00     757  0    
EO        107    BRU  13:15     FIH  20:30     757  0    

[Established02]

With this schedule the aircraft will be 18 hours on the ground at BRU!

EO apparently prefers to operate both segments as a daylight flight.

[FLYAIR10]

With this schedule the aircraft will be 18 hours on the ground at BRU!

EO apparently prefers to operate both segments as a daylight flight.

Some questions:
1) Was HBA not also going to serve Paris-CDG?
2) What about Payload/range curve on a BRU-FIH sector for a B757 during day light ops? Will there be a (technical) stop in between?

grtz..

[sdbelgium]

1) Was HBA not also going to serve Paris-CDG?

Yes, and that is still possible as the BRU-flights are only twice a week.

2) What about Payload/range curve on a BRU-FIH sector for a B757 during day light ops? Will there be a (technical) stop in between?

Amadeus shows the route as 0 stops. Flight time is 08:15 which is stretching the limits, but it should be possible I think.

Payload/range of the 757 with PWs

Notes:
- EOs 757 has RR engines, not PWs
- BRU-FIH is 3356 nm according to GCM

[Outsync]

But we are talking alot of (heavy) passengers with lots of luggage, won't a fuel stop be needed? Time will sell I suppose!

[Boeing767copilot]

As per GDS timetable display on 19MAY09, Hewa Bora Airways has postponed its planned European operation until 30MAY09. Original date was planned on 02MAY09

In addition, service is operated by Boeing 757, instead of 767. Also, all service will be operating Kinshasa - Brussels - Paris CDG routing only. Previously planned service origination/termination at Lubumbashi and Brazzaville has been canned.

EO103 FIH0945 - 1900BRU2030 - 2115CDG 757 3
EO106 FIH0945 - 1900BRU2030 - 2115CDG 757 6
EO101 FIH0945 - 1900BRU2030 - 2115CDG 757 1 29JUN09 -

EO107 CDG1100 - 1145BRU1315 - 2030FIH 757 7
EO104 CDG1100 - 1145BRU1315 - 2030FIH 757 4
EO102 CDG1100 - 1145BRU1315 - 2030FIH 757 2 30JUN09

source: http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/

[LX-LGX]

ALX106 has landed in BRU at 19h15 (scheduled arrival was 19h00).

ALX107 BRU-FIH is scheduled for Sunday, 13h15.

EQP: RAK Airways 757-200ER

[TCAS_climb]

RAK Airways has an AOC from which country ?

[LX-LGX]

Rak Airways = UAE / United Arab Emirates

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isn't a 757-200ER catalogued as a narrow body (3-3 in Y), and therefore not that nice for crew and passengers for such a long flight?

think someone has posted it before : how will they work out hand luggage? Those who have flown to Africa will know that the African definition for hand luggage is: "everything you can hold with your hands".

[Leopold II]

Let me tell you something. The Belgian are real crooks , because they want to remain alone for their monopoly. From their King to the Prime minister, all b..., and their target is only how to crook the Congolese. I don't care if Stavros is doing money or not, this is not our problem. The main question is first of all to provide jobs to congolese people also : they have rights also. I am sure that Stavros will be able to receive all 5 trafics rights from his government. Stavros is congolese like me !
Congratulation Hewa Bora !

[Established02]

Hello Leopold II,

Welcome to Luchtzak. Striking UserID you have there!

Furthermore, your first post does seem to express some bitterness.

> The Belgian are real crooks

Yes, we have some serious shortcomings here and there. Sorry about that.

But just like you, we do wake up in the morning with the intention to be kind to each other all day long.

> because they want to remain alone for their monopoly

Leopold II, have you ever worked for a commercial company? As you know, the world economy is currently ruled by the (harsh) laws of competition. Unfortunately the nature of competition is not that it spontaneously seeks for win-win situations. Competition tends to focus on the benefits of the self, possibly at the expense of others! Competition often tends to lead to a reduction of the amount of players on the market, ultimately leading to a monopoly on some markets. As you can imagine, it is more "comfortable" to operate in a monopoly situation than in a very competitive environment. However it is true that this "comfort" of the monopolist may result in a greater "discomfort" for the market.

> their target is only how to crook the Congolese.

Personally I think there is no conscious intention to "crook" or to harm the Congolese people. Nevertheless the result may be all the same.

I think that the commercial attitude of SN towards Hewa Bora is not any different from the attitude of SN towards easyJet, AF/KLM, SkyEurope, Olympic, Aeroflot, whatever...


Personally I believe that humanity should no longer hold on to a competition based economy, but should develop a more elevated economical system founded on cooperation, diversity, creativity...

[sn26567]

It is interesting to read that Hewa Bora intends to increase its frequency to five flights per week, exactly as many as Brussels Airlines is allowed under the bilateral treaty. I am curious to see how the Belgian Aviation authorities will react.

[congolais]

LEOPOLD II has a point. However he should not worry and let the market choose. 90% of the travelers between Kinshasa and Brussels are Congolese like me. We are tired of stops, lausy food, screeming flemish crew, and all this at the price of a monopolist abusing his market dominance. Thank you Hewa Bora for coming back :clap: :clap: :clap: Good luck we congolese are with you.

[HighInTheSky]

... We are tired of stops, lausy food, screeming flemish crew...

Now, i follow you with the stops, these are unpleasant for everybody. But the food? You have 2 choices in Y class, all drinks free of charge,... And screaming crew? What's that about?

Remember, even without HBA you can still go to FIH via CDG with AF...

[congolais]

It is all about respect.
I suppose you are white, we are not, so you do not know what it is about.

I agree with you that on Air France there is respect.
That is why many of us go via CDG, Air France has a professional attitude towards "any" passenger.

But for Air France we have to go to paris, Hewa Bora is DIRECT , NONSTOP!!!!!!

And for the food, try Air France yourself, you will tell me what you think., with your 2 choices.

And by the way for 1200 EUR you also want to charge for your drinks ?????

Once again we congolese will choose where to spend our money, you like it or not !!!!!!!!

... We are tired of stops, lausy food, screeming flemish crew...

Now, i follow you with the stops, these are unpleasant for everybody. But the food? You have 2 choices in Y class, all drinks free of charge,... And screaming crew? What's that about?

Remember, even without HBA you can still go to FIH via CDG with AF...

[LX-LGX]

Saturday:
ALX106 FIH-BRU has landed at 19h15 (scheduled arrival was 19h00).

Sunday:
ALX107 BRU-FIH has left at 13h10 (scheduled departure time was 13h15).

[congolais]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Saturday:
ALX106 FIH-BRU has landed at 19h15 (scheduled arrival was 19h00).

Sunday:
ALX107 BRU-FIH has left at 13h10 (scheduled departure time was 13h15).

:wave:

Congratulations Hewa Bora and thank you for the on-time performance

[NCB]

Papaioanou is doing a great job.
After the recent tensions between SN and HWB, I don't think that they would codeshare.

HWB is being smart here, using direct flights with B757.
They will steal many many passengers from SN.

The 757 will be easy to fill even as a daily flight.

[9Q-CHC]

It is all about respect.
I suppose you are white, we are not, so you do not know what it is about.

I agree with you that on Air France there is respect.
That is why many of us go via CDG, Air France has a professional attitude towards "any" passenger.

But for Air France we have to go to paris, Hewa Bora is DIRECT , NONSTOP!!!!!!

And for the food, try Air France yourself, you will tell me what you think., with your 2 choices.

And by the way for 1200 EUR you also want to charge for your drinks ?????

Once again we congolese will choose where to spend our money, you like it or not !!!!!!!!

Poor Congolais,

If you have had such a bad experience with the Flemish attitude and crews, why don't you just stay in Congo?
What's gonna be the next problem when you flew once with RAK? Not enough space to sit, fumes of the person next to you? Not allowed to walk around when the service is carried out...?
If some of you just try to stop arguing on everything about nothing and be less aggressive, there would no need to have screaming Flemish crew.
And this has nothing to do with respect but just with the ability to obey rules by anyone be it black, white or yellow. And being able to accept and carry out rules has something to do with how you've been raised...
Why does some of you always try to make the black/ white game?
I have seen many other things on many journeys from, -in, -to FIH and other French speaking African countries!