At Least 141 Die In Egypt Plane Crash.

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So you can clearly see that the B737 is safer that the A320 family....

Yes Danny, Thank you... That's what they said also in CCTV (Chinese TV)
And, Chris, It all depends who is driving it!!

[Avro]

And, Chris, It all depends who is driving it!!

Of course, I just wanted to show Sab319 that his statment wasn't true. I think they are both very reliable.

Ciao
Chris
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This piece of information is interesting but I am afraid you are going fftopic:

[Danny]

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[sn26567]

Danny,

What the hell are you trying to prove?

Your mails are completely fftopic:

The thread is about the Flash Air accident at Sharm-el-Sheik!!!!

[Scoezie]

I yesterday heard on the radio news that last year the Swiss government forbid Flash Airlines in their skies, because the airline wouldn't be safe enough. They didn't say much on that, and don't now if the fact is true. But if it is true maybe the crash was dueded to a lack of safety of the airline...

Greetzz
Scoezie

[sn26567]

I yesterday heard on the radio news that last year the Swiss government forbid Flash Airlines in their skies, because the airline wouldn't be safe enough.

You could also have read it on Luchtzak: https://www.aviation24.be/article2665.html

[liebensd]

yesterday heard on the radio news that last year the Swiss government forbid Flash Airlines in their skies, because the airline wouldn't be safe enough. They didn't say much on that, and don't now if the fact is true. But if it is true maybe the crash was dueded to a lack of safety of the airline...

I hope that the European union will learn from the Swiss gouvernement and do more against unsafe airliens.

Greetz,

Dave

[Avro]

I hope that the European union will learn from the Swiss gouvernement and do more against unsafe airliens.

I hope it too

Wasn't France and the concerned Tour operator aware of this ban in Switzerland ?

Chris

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I'm afraid the EU doesn't give a damn about flight safety. Until the EASA really takes over the JAA's duties, it's up to each of all the NAA's (national aviation authorities) to clean up their doorstep. The German did that shortly after the Birgenair B757 crash. Apparently the Swiss did it also with Flash and they obviously hit the nail on the head.

By the way, Switzerland is a JAA country, so why is the information from one JAA country NOT going to all the other JAA countries ? You know, kind of "hey, see what I found about this operator in a recent audit, I thought you might be interested to have that info too since they also operate in your country...". Further checks and audit would be conducted and if the operator had not improved its operation it would be banned from JAA countries. It would be very helpful, and might have even prevented this tragedy. But no, NAA's do not share information, they do not interfere in other NAA's business (because they do not want their neighbours to interfere with their own stuff and problems ?)...


(Oh my, have I just found another way to criticize the Swiss again ?)

[A318]

I always had a great trust in 4 engine planes, but looking at the 747 records this is not a guarantee for safer flights. I wonder what is this rate for the A340, any ideas????

Greetz,

Erwin

[Avro]

This is the plane that crashed yesterday in the red sea: SU-ZCD


Ciao
Chris

[A318]

yesterday heard on the radio news that last year the Swiss government forbid Flash Airlines in their skies, because the airline wouldn't be safe enough. They didn't say much on that, and don't now if the fact is true. But if it is true maybe the crash was dueded to a lack of safety of the airline...

This is a very serious insault also for the norish maintance cew seen this post:

The airplane received its maintenance checks in Norway and the most recent one showed no problems, the airline said.

I should not want to be in the shoes from the Swiss person that has told this.
I was looking at the pictures on the previous page from the crew of Flash, it is giving me chickenskin with the idea that people from those pictures were also involved in this accident and died doing their job.

Greetz,

Erwin

[OO-SBZ]

I hope that the European union will learn from the Swiss gouvernement and do more against unsafe airliens.

I hope it too
Wasn't France and the concerned Tour operator aware of this ban in Switzerland ?
Chris

If the Swiss did really forward the information to their European colleagues, I would like to hear the reactions of the other European Civil Aviation Authorities...

When such a thing occurs, this should be publicly announced (Internet, national newspapers, etc.) at the cost of the airline in the countries where the faulty carrier flies.

Safety is priceless... so let's dangerous carriers!

Fram, the main customer of the airline for this flight is probably going to indulge in 'We did not know' since they have already claimed they had full trust in the airline's safety level...

BeN

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According to the latest news they are searching to the fusalage of the plane and the Flight Data Recorders at the moment with a special French underwater Robot.

It's said that the plane is 300 meters below the surface.

The water is closed for all kinds of watersports. These waters are normally used for surfing.

Best Regards,
Yvo

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The latest pertinent info I got on that SU-ZCD was that it made 4 rotations Egypt Italy back to back in the preceeding 24h, it was about 1h on ground and took off again...and that there were 2 set of crew on board of the ill-fated flight...

Egypt defended the safety of its aircraft after Swiss aviation authorities said they had banned from Swiss airspace the operators of the Boeing 737.
In Zurich, a Swiss aviation official said the private Egyptian charter company Flash Airlines, operators of the doomed Paris-bound plane, had been banned from Swiss airspace since October 2002 due to safety concerns.
"During an inspection we discovered that the airline was a danger to aviation security," said Celestine Perissinotto, a spokeswoman for the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Aviation.
"If a company is forbidden (to fly over national airspace)...that means the problems are serious," she said.
Egypt's Civil Aviation Minister Ahmed Mohamed Shafiq Zaki responded by saying the Swiss had not punished Flash Airlines for safety violations.
He denied reports that Switzerland had refused to let Flash Airlines planes land on Swiss territory.
"He said that irresponsible statements should not be made in such circumstances*" Fouad Hassoun, one of the partners in the Flash Group, which owns Flash Airlines, told the Qatar-based television station Al Jazeera that the Boeing 737 had been properly maintained.

The Egyptian 737 crashed most likely due to a loss of power.

Laut dem Bundesamt für Zivilluftfahrt (BAZL) in Bern sind die Flash Airlines in der Schweiz seit Oktober 2002 mit einem Flugverbot belegt.
That's what is says in English: Egyptian crash airline banned in Switzerland
Flash Airlines n'était plus autorisée à survoler la Suisse
In Danish? Flyselskab havde forbud mod at overflyve Schweiz

* but irresponsible airlines can fly???

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Swiss officials say the Egyptian charter airline company Flash Airlines, whose Boeing 737 crashed into the Red Sea with the loss of 148 lives, had been banned from flying into Switzerland for over a year.
The Swiss Civil Aviation Authority says the ban was imposed after safety problems came to light during an inspection of one of the airline's planes in October 2002.
A routine inspection of one of Flash Airlines planes at Zurich airport revealed a series of safety failures, according to the Swiss Civil Aviation Authority.
Specific details are confidential but the Authority says the problems constituted violations of international safety regulations and were enough to impose an immediate ban on Flash Airlines flying into Swiss airports or through Swiss air space.
Other European countries including France were informed of Switzerland's concerns about Flash Airlines, because the Swiss sent the details of the banning order to the European Aviation Authorities.

[L-1011]

I suppose the swiss NAA regulations are tighter than in the other countries then
Else everybody would have said NO to them.

ciao,
TriStar

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I suppose the swiss NAA regulations are tighter than in the other countries then
Else everybody would have said NO to them. ciao, TriStar

Facts TriStar, facts.... you emit a supposition....
Everybody? Flash was not coming to Belgium? Netherlands? Danmark? Sweden? Germany? All big 'producers' of traffic to the Red Sea area...

I confirm it was coming to France and Italy...
Sorry, but France has a bad reputation of laxity: see the blood-file and the heat wave-files. How many people died because of french laxity in these cases?
After the many victims of the blood and the heat, now again 133 more because of 'de franse slag?'
No, lawyers will use this in court, have no doubt about that.

What is bad, is that quality flyers as Sobelair, are worked out of the market by low-flyers (flashers??) as this.
I am angry about that!!! Who isn't, I ask.
The public should know what can happen when money is your only criterion.

[SN30952]

No hair on the head of the Swiss Civil Aviation Authority seems to doubt about what she said!

And I do not doubt there are more of these 'flasher' operating over the Mediterenian!!!
Lets hope this is the very end of one: Flash Airlines...