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Bankruptcy protection (Concordat) for Sobelair next monday?

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Hello,

Sobelair will probably ask for a concordat next monday. The charter company hasn't found the necessary investors. SLR needs about 10 million Euro's.
When the concordat will be approved, there is a plan to save a part of the business through Birdy.
The VTM reporter said Birdy would take over 2 planes for long haul flight, 5 for medium haul flights. SNBA would take the A333s which Birdy is now operating for them. This plan can only work when Birdy gets a contract from touroperator TUI/Jetair and Thomas Cook. If the plan works, only 50% of the SLR staff will have a job in the future.

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Post by liebensd »

More news:

Sobelair vraagt concordaat aan - wellicht collectief ontslag personeel (update)


Almost the same news as from OO-VEX


Greetz,

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Post by ATC »

This is very bad news for Sobelair.
:cry:

This news doesn't come as a suprise. I really hope (like liebensd and OO-VEX told) that their will be a take-over by an other company...
I prefer a belgium company...

I want to support the people who work with Sobelair. Don't give up...
We'll all hope for better (aviation)times... :thumbsup:

with respect,

greatings,
ATC

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"Sobelair vraagt maandag het concordaat aan"
vr 02/01/03 - Luchtvaartmaatschappij Sobelair, een vroegere dochter van het failliete Sabena, vraagt volgende maandag het concordaat aan. Dat meldt het VTM-nieuws. Op de website van De Standaard ontkent eigenaar Aldo Vastapane intussen dat er al iets beslist is.

Door de aanvraag van het concordaat is Sobelair beschermd tegen zijn schuldeisers en wordt het voorlopig niet failliet verklaard. Bij de luchtvaartmaatschappij werken zo'n 450 mensen.

Het bedrijf is er niet in geslaagd om nieuwe investeringen aan te trekken. Normaal moest het rond deze tijd een reddingsplan voorleggen, waarvoor het op zoek moest naar tien miljoen euro. Maar dat is dus niet gelukt.

Er zou een plan klaar liggen om Sobelair via een nieuwe maatschappij alsnog te redden. Die maatschappij is Birdy, een groep die nu al werkt voor SN Brussels Airlines. Birdy zou een deel van de vluchten overnemen.

De 450 personeelsleden van Sobelair wacht wellicht het collectief ontslag. Zelfs bij een overname kan men niet alle werknemers behouden. In het beste geval kan de helft blijven, maar zij zullen financieel fors moeten inleveren.
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Gerechtelijk akkoord zou worden aangevraagd. Hoofdaandeelhouder Aldo Vastapane blijft echter ontkennen dat er al iets beslist is.

Sobelair is een gewezen dochter van het failliete Sabena en kampt al geruime tijd met financiële problemen. Volgens VTM is Sobelair er niet in geslaagd om nieuwe investeringen aan te trekken. De luchtvaartmaatschappij most tegen januari 2004 een reddingsplan voorleggen aan de Brusselse handelsrechter en moest daarvoor op zoek naar tien miljoen euro. Maar dat geld werd niet gevonden. Daarom heeft de raad van bestuur dinsdag besloten om een gerechtelijk akkoord aan te vragen. Het personeel zal net voordien worden ingelicht, aldus VTM.

Als de handelsrechter instemt met de vraag voor een gerechtelijk akkoord zal de maatschappij beschermd worden tegen de schuldeisers en wordt ze voorlopig niet failliet verklaard. Volgens VTM ligt dan een scenario klaar om een deel van Sobelair via een nieuwe maatschappij te redden. Volgens VTM gaat het om Birdy, de vliegtuiggroep van Georges Gutelman en Victor Hasson die al werkt voor SN Brussels. Birdy wil de vakantiecontracten van reisorganisatoren Thomas Cook en Tui overnemen.

Voor de circa 450 personeelsleden volgt ongetwijfeld slecht nieuws. Sobelair heeft immers de intentie om over te gaan tot collectief ontslag om economische redenen. Zelfs bij een overname is het voor Sobelair niet haalbaar iedereen te behouden. In het beste geval kan de helft van het personeel opnieuw aan het werk. Maar dat personeel zal financieel zwaar moeten inleveren, besluit VTM.
De Standaard

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Post by Avro »

That's again a very sad moment for the belgian aviation :cry:

2004 doesn't start well at all :cry:
I want to support the people who work with Sobelair. Don't give up...
I totally agree with you ATC. Don't give up SLR people :!:

Chris
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Post by ERICAIRLINES »

Sobelair into birdy,very easy now to get rid off your old employees,too much paid and too unionised..........try our new bankruptcy procedure.....

Of course the airline will only need 200 staff,and not even sure that those 200 will all come from slr,tui will take control and put his own people,at least slr survived two more years than sabena did....

Very bad news to start 2004 after the good one from snba.......but it is just a matter of time to announce the vex snba merger

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announce the vex snba merger
Are you sure ? I don't want to see SNBA become a low cost airline :cry:

Ciao
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Post by OO-VEX »

Avro wrote:
announce the vex snba merger
Are you sure ? I don't want to see SNBA become a low cost airline :cry:

Ciao
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Why is everyone thinking that a vex snba merger would create a low cost airline like vex?
I would think a bigger SNBA is also a possibility!

:offtopic: Return to SLR topic please


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Post by Sobelaiir »

"SOBELAIR, toujours à l' heure, toujours en air" but not in 2004...
vastapane should have been honest from the beginning!
my respect to all the crew members and pilots of sobelair

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Post by Avro »

This is what SLR said according to RTBF radio and radio contact:

- The news that has been published by VTm is totaly false.
- SLR has enough cash until the end of January.
- The unions (syndicat) aren't aware of anything.
Return to SLR topic please
Yes, I'm sorry :oops:

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Post by OCR_ole_ole »

and who'll pay the bill ... the elder crewmembers and cockpitcrew...

Why on earth is it so difficult in aviation to accept seniority and experience above pretty face and nice legs... grrrr :evil: :evil:

I hope that all SLR colleages get a good alternative...

All the best to you... I hope to meet one of you soon in an aircraft

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I hope it will work out all right for slr employees.

Would be great if half of them can restart with the take-over-company and the other half with Sunrise Tui Belgium.

Wish all the best to my friends at SLR.

with sympathy,
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Post by flywim »

Well, it doesn' t come as a surprise, although
I kept hoping for some better news. Probably
my contract to do my practical work (stage) at Sobelair
will be canceled, although I do hope I can stay.
So It will be a stressy month for me, because I have
exams and probably (wich I do not hope) have to seek
a new place to do my practical work.

Please let them find a good solution!!
not only for me, bur for every employee


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Post by Allnipponairways »

my sympathy to the sobelair team that has to face another bankrupty ...

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allnipponairways wrote:my sympathy to the sobelair team that has to face another bankrupty ...
They are not bankrupt yet!!!

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Post by Scoezie »

Well maybe the bankrupt of Sobelair is planned long before. It is just a thought, but why would TUI announce a new charter airline if they have enough with Sobelair. Maybe it is the intension of some people to let Sobelair bankrupt and start a whole new company.

And why Sobelair leased 2 737-800's if they are in trouble. I can imagine that leasing a 737-800 costs more then leasing a 737-400 for example. Maybe the management made some wrong decisions.

Although I think it is over with Sobelair. There are no investors who want to invest in a ship that has already been sunk (don't know if this is correct English :oops: ) Maybe it's better to start a new Charter company that is quite healthy. And this works, see SNBA. Would it not be better to have only one charter airline in Belgium. Why not a merger between TUI (Jetair) en Thomas Cook Belgium.

We will see what the future holds, but for sobelair (like it exists now), I don't think that it has a future.

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Scoezie wrote:Why not a merger between TUI (Jetair) en Thomas Cook Belgium.
You do not marry enemies! Furthermore the EU would not allow it: competition is needed.
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Post by sn26567 »

It is rumored that Rob Kuijpers, Chairman of SN BA, is leaving for a vacation today on a Sobelair flight.

At the moment when Sobelair is discussing its future with SN BA, Birdy and TUI/Jetair ?

See https://www.aviation24.be/article2690.html
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