The best commuter aircraft

Post by **sn26567** » 30 Dec 2003, 15:47

A318 wrote:
vliegtuigfreak wrote:ATR's fault!!
Is ATR french? And whats the fully name of ATR?

Greetingzz
Sonny
ATR planes are made by France-based Avions
de Transport Regional.

Wrong!

ATR stands for Avions de Transport Régional, and is made by French Aérospatiale and Italian Alenia.

And furthermore, my experience (like Jumbolino's) tells me it's a nice plane to fly: roomy for people AND for hand baggage. The strange thing is that C class is in the back, because the main door is also in the back.

Post by **luchtzak** » 30 Dec 2003, 15:50

sn26567 wrote:The strange thing is that C class is in the back, because the main door is also in the back.

At Sabena the entrance was in the front of the plane and business-class was in front too on their 2 ATR 72's from Schreiner Airways.

A318 · Post by **A318** » 30 Dec 2003, 18:11

sn26567 wrote:
A318 wrote:
vliegtuigfreak wrote:ATR's fault!!
Is ATR french? And whats the fully name of ATR?

Greetingzz
Sonny
ATR planes are made by France-based Avions
de Transport Regional.
Wrong!

ATR stands for Avions de Transport Régional, and is made by French Aérospatiale and Italian Alenia.

Funny since I did a copy paste from there own website........those french really don't even know there own name of the company and you still wonder why those planes are flying so uncomfortable?

Greetz,

Erwin

Jumbolino · Post by **Jumbolino** » 31 Dec 2003, 13:08

even worst

The ATR was build by an cooperation of aerospartiale (french) and Alenia (Italian)

but it's a nice looking aircraft

and yes, I heard for the crew the ATR is a pity, but for PAX it's good until you have not the height of Fred (Sabena_690)

Jumbolino.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 31 Dec 2003, 14:09

I agree with Jumbolino about the looks of the ATR - I love to get them on video, I filmed a Sabena example in Brussels back in July 2000, and I still have the footage now, as well as a Dash 8 of sabena which was just taxying in beside the ATR. I can't comment from a passenger point of view though.

The Fokker props have to be some of the best, they have been going for many years in their various guises, and are still widely in use today. The Fokker 27 and 50 have excellent safety records.

Post by **sn26567** » 31 Dec 2003, 15:26

Jumbolino wrote:The ATR was build by an cooperation of Aerospatiale (French) and Alenia (Italian)

That's exactly what I wrote a few lines higher...

Jumbolino · Post by **Jumbolino** » 31 Dec 2003, 16:12

Hi André,

Sorry, I don't know why, but your answer wasn't visible, when I pushed the button post reply but afterwards of course it was - ce la vie
should never happen everything more serious than a not refreshed cache - or what ever it was

Jumbolino.

PS: HAPPY NEW YEAR !

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 31 Dec 2003, 17:57

I am surprised that the Fokkers haven't got a larger share of the vote. Also the Saab aircraft only have one supporter, I would have thought that the Saab 2000, with its excellent performance, would be more well liked.

But for me it will always be the Fokker, try the approach into LCY on a F50 and then see how much fun flying in a Fokker prop is!

Happy New Year from Scarborough (beer wasteland).

Lame · Post by **Lame** » 31 Dec 2003, 21:43

Sorry to spoil your votes

But IMHO the BEST EVER is the Fokker F27 Friendship.

That does NOT include the Fokker 50 though.

Lame · Post by **Lame** » 01 Jan 2004, 01:35

I hope it is NOT a problem, posting twice in a row on the same thread?

Just wanted to add a photo of my favourite commuter aircraft.

This is the Fokker F27 that we ferried from Australia to England, shown in transit at the Fokker Factory (with me).

It was at the time the oldest F27 ever to return to its birthplace, and Fokker made a real fuss of it, and us too.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 01 Jan 2004, 10:23

Interesting story there Lame, and thanks for showing the photo.

Happy New Year from one Fokker fan to another!!

Post by **sn26567** » 01 Jan 2004, 12:35

Comet wrote:Also the Saab aircraft only have one supporter, I would have thought that the Saab 2000, with its excellent performance, would be more well liked.

I added the Saab to the list well after the poll had begun.

Lame · Post by **Lame** » 01 Jan 2004, 21:34

Comet,

Yes, but you shouldn't encourage me, now I will want to show you more.

The F27 is my favourite commuter aircraft, partly because it was my first Licence, and also because of this ferry flight.

Three captains and I, ferried it (VH-FNR) from Melbourne Australia to Norwich England, a trip of nearly two weeks, with a couple of rest days in Bahrain, and we completed the trip right on schedule, with no delays.

Best regards,

Lame.

The F27 ready to leave Melbourne, with a now finished Ansett B767 behind us.

We had to stop in Alice Springs for fuel etc, then overnight at Broome, still in Australia.

The next day we stopped in Bali, Indonesia, for fuel and supplies etc.

Sharing the tarmac there with another F27, of Merpati.

Then on to Singapore overnight at Seletar.

The next day we only went through to Bangkok, then the following day we stopped at Calcutta for fuel etc.

Before an overnight in New Delhi.

Then a tech stop in Karachi, where I still don't know whether this guy was protecting me, or keeping an eye on me

Then on to Bahrain for a couple of days off.

After that we had a tech stop in Jeddah, then on to Cairo overnight.

Okay, this is NOT of the F27, but it is one of my favourite photos, I never thought I would get to the Pyramids etc

We then had a tech stop in Athens, before overnight at Malpensa Milan.

Where their bus was as big as our F27.

After doing a very odd climb to get over the Alps, we arrived at the Fokker Factory, which you have seen, before finally arriving that night (on schedule) in Norwich, where we handed the F27 over to Air UK.

Post by **luchtzak** » 01 Jan 2004, 21:38

Wow Lame, that's an extra-ordinary trip you made there! Now you sure have convinced everybody that you like the F27

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Jan 2004, 21:59

This must have been a great experience, to fly with the F-27 from Australia to Great Britain

Thanks for sharing those nice pictures with us

Chris
8)

A318 · Post by **A318** » 02 Jan 2004, 08:45

Very nice trip report and I love your pics. I did some nice repairs on the F-27 in my Fokker Aircraft Services years. I did fly with the Troopership in my Air Force period, great plane!

Greetz,

Erwin

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 03 Jan 2004, 09:34

Lame wrote: Okay, this is NOT of the F27, but it is one of my favourite photos, I never thought I would get to the Pyramids etc

Which one is you, Lame, because the picture is rather small......

Lame · Post by **Lame** » 03 Jan 2004, 09:45

I am NOT one of the camels, if that is what you mean.

I am in a blue shirt, riding the second camel.

Marvellous what you can do if it is for your benefit, we left Bahrain about 0400 that morning so we would get to Cairo early enough to tour the Pyramids and Sphinx etc before dark.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 03 Jan 2004, 10:23

I flew on the Fokker 27 on domestic flights operated by Icelandair. They were only short flights (about 50 mins) but they flew over some very spectacular scenery, and the Fokker 27s didn't fly as high as the Fokker 50s do now.

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 03 Jan 2004, 11:06

Comet wrote:I flew on the Fokker 27 on domestic flights operated by Icelandair. They were only short flights (about 50 mins) but they flew over some very spectacular scenery, and the Fokker 27s didn't fly as high as the Fokker 50s do now.

I remember Luxair's flight to Nice, almost a guided tour over eastern France... flying from one airport to and over the other....

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