Cargo B Tailstrike

[Devon Rex]

peanuts???

You must be living on a different planet. When you have only 2 B747-200s in service such an event is not "peanuts".

He was talking about the repair, not about the impact on their service/possible flights...

[Desert Rat]

Thanks....

I was not talking about the Ops consequences but about the repair itself, on the other hand this kind of AOG situation are part of this planet....if you are not prepared to this kind of event...YOU are living on a different planet....

[teddybAIR]

Am I dreaming or did the left elevator (inboard, near fuselage) take part of the hit? I might be wrong though...it's still early in the morning and I'm still waking up

[Bralo20]

It seems that the pictures are gone?

[sn26567]

It seems that the pictures are gone?

Indeed. We have been asked to remove them for legal reasons.

[Acid-drop]

How can they pay the 2 extra 747 if they barely use them ?
Is it that cheap ? i'd like to have one for my sunday trips then

[airazurxtror]

It seems that the pictures are gone?

You can still see it on other aviation websites, a well-known British one, for instance, and on :
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... -200f.html.
One hear much about the consequences for Cargo B; but what about the causes of that tail-strike ?
Pilot error ? Sudden tail wind ? Freight badly positioned or moving during the rotation ?

[SAB294]

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[teach]

An AC mechanic on another forum, after seeing the pictures, has the same opinion on the repairs as DesertRat, he calls them 'easy and straightforward'.

[Jester]

The new generation of A/C's with glass cockpit have a tail strike indicator (chevron on the primary flight display) wich represents the limit that the pilot can not exceed during the rotation to avoid a tailstrike, they have as well an auto-callout "pitch-pitch" to warn the crew, but i guess this old generation of 747 is still equipped with conventional instrument...

Maybe I missed something during training but the B744 has no such feature like a "Tailstrike indicator"

[Desert Rat]

The new generation of A/C's with glass cockpit have a tail strike indicator (chevron on the primary flight display) wich represents the limit that the pilot can not exceed during the rotation to avoid a tailstrike, they have as well an auto-callout "pitch-pitch" to warn the crew, but i guess this old generation of 747 is still equipped with conventional instrument...

Maybe I missed something during training but the B744 has no such feature like a "Tailstrike indicator"

Well that "chevron" is optional on the Airbus fly by wire A/C's, i don't know if it's available on the Boeing...

[Jester]

Why need a training if the plane tells you everything??
But I am going Off topic...

[Atlantis]

It seems that the pictures are gone?

Indeed. We have been asked to remove them for legal reasons.

In meantime, actiongroup Noordrand/Boreas is using the pictures (shown here on the forum) and posts on their site. They are mentioning Luchtzak but is that legal too?

[Accry]

they are not only mentioning... they even copy/paste this forum !!!

[regi]

Can somebody tell us where the balast blocks of depleted uranium are mounted in the old B747?
This question is caused by seeing the picture, and remembering the El Al crash at Amsterdam, when there was also the problem of the radio active balast blocks.

[Desert Rat]

It seems that the pictures are gone?

Indeed. We have been asked to remove them for legal reasons.

In meantime, actiongroup Noordrand/Borealis is using the pictures (shown here on the forum) and posts on their site. They are mentioning Luchtzak but is that legal too?

May i ask what is Noordrand/Borealis ?????

[airazurxtror]

Why on earth would it be illegal to show the picture of an aircraft that has been abused ?
It's not good for the image and reputation of CargoB, agreed.
But it's a bit like those airlines who hide their name on a crashed aircraft ... not very helpful !

[LX-LGX]

May I ask what is Noordrand/Borealis ?????

Noordrand is one of the many NIMBY-action groups : not in my back yard. "I need an airplane to go on holiday, and that plane needs an airport to take off and land. And yes, the plane that takes me on holiday makes some noise during take off and landing. So what? But I don't want to hear the airplanes from other tourists, going on holiday: those planes have to make a detour to avoid my back yard."

Some stories about these Nimby's are really unbelievable. Like the lady from Awaccs, Miss Peggy, who also runs an import export company near the airport. So she phones Brucargo every now and then to ask if her goods have already been cleared by customs. And five minutes later, she files a complaint about too much noise from the cargo plane that brought in her stuff.

euh, think this was off topic ...

[Desert Rat]

Can somebody tell us where the balast blocks of depleted uranium are mounted in the old B747?
This question is caused by seeing the picture, and remembering the El Al crash at Amsterdam, when there was also the problem of the radio active balast blocks.

You are trying to wind-up the Nimby's, aren't you????

[flightlover]

Why on earth would it be illegal to show the picture of an aircraft that has been abused ?
It's not good for the image and reputation of CargoB, agreed.
But it's a bit like those airlines who hide their name on a crashed aircraft ... not very helpful !

To explain why these photo's are most likely illegal:

- all camera's on tarmac have to be permited by the airport authority, BAC in this case. e.g.: u cant take pictures with any other camera while they are loading or unloading.

- all logo's of an airline are trademarks and therefore u need permission of the owner to use them, and no they won't mind if you use them to honor them.

Lucky for us they can't and won't check it all and realy nice pictures can be taken. But do not share them on the internet if you do take some of these "illegal" pictures, it may get you in trouble if the airline or airport authority realy want to persue u.