Loadfactor SNBA

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 02 Jun 2003, 15:17

AEA just published the loadfactors of april. SNBA managed to grow while the overall european market went down. The average loadfactor of april was: 54.2% and from january - april: 51.3%.

http://www.aea.be

That's good news isn't it!!

Greetz
Chris

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 02 Jun 2003, 15:25

Liebens Dave

That is not bad if you look at the list, there are a couple of “old” airlines whit almost the same results:
Finnair 56%
Luxair 53,9%
Turkish airlines 54,4%

Greetz,

Dave

Post by **luchtzak** » 02 Jun 2003, 15:33

Chris,

thanks for the news, I'll put it on the frontpage ASAP

greetings,

Bart

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 02 Jun 2003, 17:43

I'll put it on the frontpage ASAP

Thanks Bart.

Is it true that the minimum loadfactor required to profitable (for SNBA) is about 55% ??

Greetings
Chris
:drink:

Post by **luchtzak** » 02 Jun 2003, 19:59

I thought it was around 65% but I think it's not a matter of seat-occupation. If you own a theatre you want that the theatre is filled up 100% every night, every show. The perfect airliner would have 100% seats filled everytime, unfortunately this isn't possible (maybe Ryanair)

As a steward it is also nicer to perform for a full plane-audience my opinion

Break-even is 65% but I'm still hoping of higher load-factors so we can make profit fast.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 02 Jun 2003, 20:07

You're right Bart the higher the better, let's hope for SNBA it will be profitable very soon.
But we don't have to forget that SNBA is doing a great job to be able to increase the Loadfactors in a period where the overall traffic in europe fell in the last months.
So keep up the good work

Greetings
Chris
:drink:

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 02 Jun 2003, 21:49

You told that a load factor of 65% is required for SNBA to be profitable. When there are many business class passengers that number may be lower to be profitable. My question to you is, is there a big difference in load factor between business- and economy class?

Greetz,

Dave

Post by **luchtzak** » 02 Jun 2003, 22:00

Most of the time it is 15 business-class seats and 67 economy-seats for RJ 85 (82 seats), 15 C-class 82 Y-class for RJ 100 (97 seats) and 15 C-class 69 Y-class for Bae146 (84 seats)

Hope this helps you.

ciao,

Bart
:rock:

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 03 Jun 2003, 10:10

Bart,

What I really mean is there a difference in load factor? For example, is there a load factor in business class of 80% and in economy class 50%?

Greetz,

Dave

Post by **luchtzak** » 03 Jun 2003, 10:13

Dave,

I only have the loadfactors from the www.aea.be I don't have access to that kind of figures.

greetings,

Bart
:rock:

Post by **sn26567** » 03 Jun 2003, 10:15

liebensd wrote:What I really mean is there a difference in load factor? For example, is there a load factor in business class of 80% and in economy class 50%?

Dave,

From my own experience flying SN BA (where I never had the pleasure to meet Bart yet

), the load factor in C class is closer to 20% than to 80%, whereas Y class seems to be in the 50-60% area.

But this is only a personal average, not the airline's own statistics.

Post by **luchtzak** » 03 Jun 2003, 10:23

André,

if you want that I am on board of your flight give me your flightdetails well on time (2 months before), I could ask that my girlfriend joins me on the flight as well

ciao,

Bart
:mexwave:

Post by **sn26567** » 03 Jun 2003, 10:36

luchtzak wrote:André,

if you want that I am on board of your flight give me your flight details well on time (2 months before), I could ask that my girlfriend joins me on the flight as well

Here we go:

10 September: BRU-NCE SN3619
14 September: NCE-BRU SN3620

And my wife will accompany me. So we can make a party for four in Nice

Post by **luchtzak** » 03 Jun 2003, 10:38

Copied that, maybe the flights are up-and-down, maybe the are nightstopping. We'll see

Lyulka · Post by **Lyulka** » 03 Jun 2003, 11:07

Their's something I just can't understand: KLM has a load factor of 74%, one of the best of all the airlines, and still it's told it's not going well with the operator. They come from much more, but still...
Are costs so high in the north?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 03 Jun 2003, 14:30

Their's something I just can't understand: KLM has a load factor of 74%, one of the best of all the airlines, and still it's told it's not going well with the operator. They come from much more, but still...
Are costs so high in the north?

It's not only the Loadfactor that is important for a company the structure of it is also important, look at Swiss they have a good loadfactor (about 69%) and they are still making loss, beacuse the company is not well structured. The salery of some executives are too high as far as I know..

It's certainly a simillar problem that KLM is facing at the moment.

Regards
Chris
:jumpy:

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 03 Jun 2003, 17:18

SN indeed increased it's load factor, but how about the yield?

They started an offensive with cheap one way tickets, very nice to increase the loads, but with those tickets you don't make a lot of money.

What SN needs is full fare Y and C tickets. And do they sell those tickets? Or better said: do they sell enouhg of those tickets to become profitable?

This is what I would like to know...

Regards
Frederic

vliegtuigfreak · Post by **vliegtuigfreak** » 03 Jun 2003, 19:16

Jihaaaaaaaaa, go SNBA go!!!

kotszakje · Post by **kotszakje** » 04 Jun 2003, 14:15

The advertising campaign may influence the load factor, but I think it's main purpose was to try to let people know that there is still a national flag carrier operating in Brussels. The cheaper tickets certainly won't help SN BA's yiels much, but a) the number of tickets is limited, and b) it could be that passengers that fly SN BA with such cheap tickets are tempted to fly SN BA in the future because of their good service, punctuality, etc. (like me for example: used to fly VEX, but when I saw that SN BA offers more service for a similar or even cheaper price, why shouldn't I fly SNBA)

So in a way I think this ad campaign will have some direct/short term and indirect/long term effects as well on SN BA's load factor and yields. Future will tell...

cheers,

fred
http://users.skynet.be/airsicknessbags

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 04 Jun 2003, 16:15

Can someone maybe explain of what is the real definition of "load factor"? Like when Iberia or so place a flight number on an SNBA aircraft are these passengers counted for the Iberia or SNBA load factor? An example an aircraft of SNBA counts 100 seats 50 of them are in use of SNBA and 50 for Iberia. When there is no passenger for Iberia and 50 for SNBA is the load factor of Iberia 0%, SNBA’s 100% and the load factor of the aircraft 50%. So when you look at the SNBA’s aircraft it has a load factor of 50% while all seats of SNBA are occupied.

Greetz,

Dave