More night flights from DHL expected

sabena4ever · Post by **sabena4ever** » 10 Dec 2003, 20:24

Good evening

I heard this evening from the news (RTBF) that DHL will operate 2 time more night flights

and create over 1000 news jobs

in Brussels Airport.
This info is coming from V.T.M.
so have a sweet night

!!!!!!!
ciao d sabena4ever

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 10 Dec 2003, 20:36

VRT brought this item in their headlines.

The first 10 min. of VRT news were airline releated.
(DHL-expansion, protest of Brussels Airlines against new flightplan, and new code-share agreement between SNBA and AA).

About the DHL expansion.
This will be the first testcase weither if people choose for the economical or ecological thinking.
They are also talking to move DHL (and their expansion plans) to another airport. I don't think that BIAC Brussel is going to like this.
DHL is a very ,very big customer. And if they move DHL to another airport will it be in flanders or the wallon region?
A "communotaire" problem...

reactions ...?

greetz,
ATC

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 10 Dec 2003, 20:38

Coooool this is some great news :dance:

I which EAT/DHL the very best in their expansion.

Today is indeed a very good day for EBBR. With the new JFK route and the DHL news.

Chris
8)

Skystef · Post by **Skystef** » 10 Dec 2003, 21:27

Would be great for holding a poll about DHL with the main question:
how long they are gonna stay @ EBBR.

less than 1 year,
1-3 years,
3-10 years,
never leaving

I got a bad feeling about this "stunt" news.

SS

sabena4ever · Post by **sabena4ever** » 10 Dec 2003, 21:52

ATC wrote "And if they move DHL to another airport will it be in flanders or the wallon region?
A "communotaire" problem..."
notice the rigth spelling : communautaire

Hi ATC
It seems that DHL should move to "Liege" or "Leipzig" in Germany(see teletext van de vrt b149)
but it' s only a treat to go away, make sure that they want to stay in Brussels.
ciao d sabena4ever

jt6-d · Post by **jt6-d** » 11 Dec 2003, 01:02

I only hope this will create job opportunities in regard to pilots.
they talked about 1000+ jobs. but how many jobs for pilots?

Nick · Post by **Nick** » 11 Dec 2003, 09:13

If they want to create 1000 jobs I guess this will also include pilots. So Bert don't screw up!

Hope for the best !

Flybe · Post by **Flybe** » 11 Dec 2003, 10:47

This morning on the radionews, DHL specified that for sure they will stay in Brussels with their current operations, but all the new jobs will go to another airport if they aren't welcome in Brussels.

Nevertheless i'm 100% for DHL expanding in Brussels! It gives BIAC some breathingspace during the slow recovery of the passengertraffic. Brussels is currently amongst the 30 biggest cargo airports, and i would like to keep it that way! Improving that would even be better!

I'm wondering how many people are actually against those nightflights? I don't know where anymore, but i read once somewhere that if the dispersionplan wasn't introduced on time, the fines had to be paid to 49!! people. That's nothing! How can such a small action group block an entire economy! Isn't it time that we once gather in a action group for maintaining Brussels as a economical viable airport? Or are we going to sit passively here and let those few people dictate the whole thing? Isn't a petition or so possible?

I love Brussels airport, but those people rather se it disappear...

Greets,

Pieter

Post by **sn26567** » 11 Dec 2003, 10:59

Flybe wrote:I'm wondering how many people are actually against those nightflights? I don't know where anymore, but i read once somewhere that if the dispersionplan wasn't introduced on time, the fines had to be paid to 49!! people. That's nothing! How can such a small action group block an entire economy!

Pieter,

You certainly read this on Luchtzak. The fine of €50,000 per day would have been paid to 47 (not 49) claimants, but one of them is lawyer Roel Anciaux, the brother of Bert. You need not look further why this lobby is so powerful.

I repeat that the only sensible solution is to concentrate (not to disperse) the night flights over the least populated areas and to pay these people enough money to correctly insulate their homes against noise.

Allnipponairways · Post by **Allnipponairways** » 11 Dec 2003, 11:03

Its all stupid because the people bouhgt the cheap land and the airport was there already before they bought it , so dont complain...you got your land for free ...

greets

flying cobra

EBAW_flyer · Post by **EBAW_flyer** » 12 Dec 2003, 16:55

But some politicians are to be persuaded by the 1000 extra jobs. Minister Landuyt said it could be possible to raise the maximum number of night flights (currently set on 2500). On the other hand, Vera "klein duimpje" Dua said that 2500 is allready too much and she doesn't give a **** about the extra jobs.

Post by **sn26567** » 12 Dec 2003, 18:17

And Bert has approved! He also want a stringent limit on the number of night flights. He hopes that DHL will send the additional flights to another airport in Belgium: Liège or Ostend. But at Liège TNT has a right of veto.

The final result will be that <b>ALL</B> DHL flights will go to Leipzig, if Bert persists in his stupidity.

Thank you very much, Mr Anciaux !

BlackEyedB747 · Post by **BlackEyedB747** » 13 Dec 2003, 15:32

hello,

the best solution will be
all additional operations at OST
so there weill be no complaints again by the people ho live around
Brussels Airport
here in OST there are only 3000 people or so complainig from the 90000 inhabitans so "onteigen" (i dont no how you spell that in english) with those people

Grtz,

BB747

Glider · Post by **Glider** » 13 Dec 2003, 16:09

First of all, I have to say I'm not against the expansion plans of DHL. In the contrary, I like the idea of creating +1000 new jobs, and this from human and aviation enthusiast point of view.

Secondly, I heard (I said: heard - it can be wrong information, and therefore I'm sorry...) somewhere that a quote of maximum 25000 night flights a year was mentioned (right?). With an average of 30 a day, each day of the year, I come to approx. 11000. So if I can count a bit, DHL can double their flights, right? Anyway, this theoretical stuff is not really my speciality.

Personal conclusion: I hope they can expand, even with all those protestors.

jt6-d · Post by **jt6-d** » 18 Dec 2003, 20:03

I think your calculation is correct, but dhl isn't the only carrier operating at night.
There are several companies, but they are unknown to the people.
From all these companies dhl is best known in Belgium, so they get the blame for all the troubles that exist.
furthermore I think that Bert is afraid to be bashed by his brother, one of the complainers ( just kidding).

Everybody should be aware that there is a problem, but for that problem there is a solution. give people money to insulate their homes.
a good insulation is adequate for sure.don't change sids and stars every five minutes, don't tell plains have to take off and land with tailwind, don't talk about mixed use of all the available runways that's bullocks. It proves that you don't understand what aviation is about or how it works.
the dramatic part of this whole situation is that people aren't aware of the fact that aviation will expand in the future, so it will only get worse.
Now it's the time to expand the existing airports in Belgium, not in ten years when it is too late.
Ostend is a fantastic airport with a fantastic new apron ( I think apron no.3) it is not in use but it is there.From ostend there is a link to the E40 motorway.if you go land inwards from Ostend there is an agricultural region, so not a lot off people.Most of the time take off will be over the sea.and ostend is closer to the "golden triangle- Kortrijk, Roeselare, Waregem" than Brussels.
But hey it is a political problem, so solutions will always be inexplicable and unlogical.

Post by **sn26567** » 19 Dec 2003, 09:23

Ostend was never considered for the expansion of DHL. Liège was considered, but rejected yesterday. Only remain now Zaventem and ... Chièvres. This is the official position of the government.

jt6-d · Post by **jt6-d** » 19 Dec 2003, 13:52

hello,

that's what I am trying to say it is political, why not Ostend?
The government wants to go to Chievres, but why?
Isn't Chievres an American military airport? or am I wrong?

BlackEyedB747 · Post by **BlackEyedB747** » 19 Dec 2003, 16:17

hello,

ostend cant because they will have to build two new runways
and it isn't possible because then two villages must dissapear
Leffinge and Raversijde + and entire shopping mall

Grtz,

Nico

Skystef · Post by **Skystef** » 19 Dec 2003, 16:26

jt6-d wrote:Isn't Chievres an American military airport? or am I wrong?

Seems correct, and the Americans won't allow a neighbour like DHL on their roof. Besides that DHL won't operate from two hubs in Belgium. So its gonna be EBBR, or moving outside Belgium.
Within a month or so, the government will decide what the options for EBBR are.
Its all up to them.......

SS

Post by **sn26567** » 19 Dec 2003, 16:38

jt6-d wrote:The government wants to go to Chievres, but why?

Politics, my friend. Zaventem is in the Flemish region, and if there is a second national airport it must be in Wallonia.

Furthermore:

1) Good rail and road connections (E19, Thalys)
2) Small number of people in the neighbourhood = smaller costs for expropriations, noise abatement, etc.
3) Possibility of co-opretaion with France, which could be interested for the Lille area.
4) Reasonable distance from Brussels