Ryanair change its Check-in policies

lcc · Post by **lcc** » 27 Aug 2007, 22:38

euroflyer wrote:(1)but as long as there are enough people stupid enough running into their traps it seems to work for them.

(2)I prefer to pay a few Euros more (if at all ) and travel with a real full service carrier

(3)But, hey, everybody has to find his/her own way of travelling ...

First, you consider x millions of Ryanair passengers as stupid people --> are you arrogant?

Secondly, you are a lyer, and very subjective because you didn't base your opinion on facts and TRUE prices (and not the usual bla bla anti ryanair). If you do a real simulation, you will know that the average price difference between Ryanair and SN Brussels is huge, around 150€, and even more on some routes, as I demonstrated in an other topic with the examples of VLC and FAO routes. So even if you consider every taxes/fees/bus transport, the difference is not "few euros" but rather "lots of euros".

To finish, you don't really now this industry. For most of people, it is not question of which way of traveling to choose, it is only a question of price. When people will understand that SN Brussel and Ryanair doesn't have the same passengers. Ryanair passengers don't choose which way they would like to travel, they just choose price that allow them to travel accordingly with their budget, and the cheapest, in more than 90% of the cases, it is Ryanair, even if you include all the handling charges, credit card fees, taxes etc

To speack about this topic, I took ~ 40 times Ryanair the last 2 years. Maybee I checked in my luggages 4 times, maximu. Perfums, tothpastes, "deodorant", you can bring all that in a plastic bag with your hand lugage. Me, I obviously critized the fact that web check-in was not free because it didn't make sense with Ryanair business model, as web check in is free of costs, contrary to check-in desks. So I am very happy that the web check / priority boarding is now free, that's a very good news

ag894 · Post by **ag894** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:15

My experience commuting on a weekly basis with Ryanair for almost one year.

Preliminary comments

- How did I get to use Ryanair? Previously I was flying Vueling, and because I got pissed off with them a changed to Ryanair. One day they canceled the flight but they told to us it was a delay, exactly until the next scheduled flight that day, just to avoid the penalties applicable on that case. We found out that we were some 20 passangers on that 'delayed' flight. Stranded in the airport no one showed up. Finally we were arranged in the next flight. Vueling promised a compensation voucher, we got a letter explaining that, but never the voucher. If you dare to call them they would know nothing. So, enough reason for me to change to Ryanair; witih the hickup of the remote airport with outrageously expensive shuttle service (has to pay the bus and ryanair fees), anyway I found than driving and parking on the airport was a bit cheaper and more convinient so forgot about the bus; and having this issue resolved all together the price was equivalent to flying with vueling to a more central airport.

- I also fly on a weekly basis for business and in business, mostly with LH and KL. What I mean is that I also have another perception, completely different, of flying as passanger. But obviously you cannot ask the same extras (bc. at the end you just want to get from A to B) for differences in price of around 1000 Euros. Although flying with Ryanair is quite stressing (packed in the airport, in the terminals, pushing passangers, clap-hands-and-stand-up-as-soon-as-you-touch-down passangers and conmensurate flight attendants that treat you like a moron, in most cases). as mentined not to compare with Lufthansa business which is in the other extreme, but a bit of civilization is missing from some passangers and a bit less cattle-class treatment of people is also missing from ryanair side (yes, we are no lambs!).

In my case I do not check in any luggage so I don't have to pay the suitcase check-in fee, although this I find reasonable, the more services you use the more you pay.

Less than one year you could either get your boarding card online or at the check-in counter without any of this options having any economic penalty. Like in many other airlines. In this situation I always did the check-in online for my convenience. This was also more convenient for Ryanair than going to the counter for the boarding card.

Then around november last year ryanair decided to charge 3 Euros/leg for doign the check in online and also getting priority boarding. I found the decission quite a non sense. 6 Euros extra on a return ticket is typically between 5 and 20% extra on the ticket cost. My decission was not to take it, and I have been taking the boarding card at the check-in counter since them although I never check in anything. The non sense situation is that it was more than obvious a loss-loss situation they had to pay all the cost associated to the check in counter (personnel, renting, paper...) and I ahd pass through the check in counter and do some queue, but in any case you have to arrive well in advance to the airport so you always have the time to queue and get bored before departing.

Eventually they have realised that this is quite a non sense. People just get the boarding card at the counter (even more if they ahve luggage to checkin. as they cannot avoid the counter). Now the situation is reversed, and it is a logic approach. If you get your boarding card online you do not pay extra, if you use extra resources and services at airport you have to apy for them. It is very reasonable that self service is cheaper than a provided service where the provider is to be paid.

The only thing that surprise me is that what they did initially and that they took one year to realise of the lack of ligic of the situation. If they would have put themselves in the shoes of the passanger or think logic they would ahve seen it clear but probalby they had a psichological studies on the behaviour of masses (or whatever other bullshit) to justify to charge extra for a self service and less for a manned service.

Bottom line is that we are back to logic and this is always welcome and positive.

P.S.: with respect to the priority boarding associated with the online checkin. It is my experience that gettig the last one in the airplane saves you a lot of hassle (I already talk above about passenger and the lambs). You always find a sit close enough to doors so you can get out quickly at arrival. And for 1 or 2 hours the very small leg room is survivable, so no need to rush for the first row or emergency sits (and I am not a short guy). BTW Vueling or clickair charge extra for this seats, I believe something like 10 Euros (are they crazy!!!). I wonder who is paying for that (maybe if you injured your knee or similar, otherwise...???).

euroflyer · Post by **euroflyer** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:21

lcc wrote: First, you consider x millions of Ryanair passengers as stupid people --> are you arrogant?
Secondly, you are a lyer, and very subjective because you didn't base your opinion on facts and TRUE prices (and not the usual bla bla anti ryanair). If you do a real simulation, you will know that the average price difference between Ryanair and SN Brussels is huge, around 150€, and even more on some routes, as I demonstrated in an other topic with the examples of VLC and FAO routes. So even if you consider every taxes/fees/bus transport, the difference is not "few euros" but rather "lots of euros".
To finish, you don't really now this industry. For most of people, it is not question of which way of traveling to choose, it is only a question of price. When people will understand that SN Brussel and Ryanair doesn't have the same passengers. Ryanair passengers don't choose which way they would like to travel, they just choose price that allow them to travel accordingly with their budget, and the cheapest, in more than 90% of the cases, it is Ryanair, even if you include all the handling charges, credit card fees, taxes etc
To speack about this topic, I took ~ 40 times Ryanair the last 2 years. Maybee I checked in my luggages 4 times, maximu. Perfums, tothpastes, "deodorant", you can bring all that in a plastic bag with your hand lugage. Me, I obviously critized the fact that web check-in was not free because it didn't make sense with Ryanair business model, as web check in is free of costs, contrary to check-in desks. So I am very happy that the web check / priority boarding is now free, that's a very good news

OK, my post might have been a bit arrogant, sorry

, but I am really pi**** off with all this low-cost, no frills, hey I saved another 50 cents because I booked the middle seat 4 months in advance via Internet in the middle of the night ... 8) 8)

But I am not a lyer

I do not deny there are routes and there are types of travelling for which Ryanair is the cheapest option. However, I have to say I am doing 150+ flights a year mostly out of Frankfurt and Brussels and yes, more than 90% are for business reasons, I have checked several times over the last year both for private and for business trips if Ryanair would be cheaper, both on Routes from Brussels (CRL) and Frankfurt (HHN) and I am sorry

, they NEVER were cheaper than SN or even LH or Aer Lingus

It might be different on other routes, but not on mine.

And, I usually book my flights about 2 months in advance, but than have to make changes regularly to the exact timing of the departure or even the routing. And I need to be able to rely on the Airline to really fly on the date I booked and, sorry, you cannot rely on FR here, a number of colleagues just had a bit of fun when FR suddenly stopped the HHN-Krakow route and what about all those people who have already booked FR from CRL in November and December?? If you need to travel you cannot just wait until two weeks before the date and hope MoL will sort it out. My neighbours in Germany had booked as well a flight HHN-Krakow in Nov 06 (it was actually a Christmas present, a short trip to Poland) and now they had to go to Milan instead, because MoL thought he could make more money there. Well, if you are prepared to let him decide where you go, fine, I will certainly not

I am not sure if "this industry", as you say, is really just about price. This might be the case for many leisure travellers (but even here not for all, you know, some people are still prepared to pay to get at least some level of service 8) ), but not for most business travellers. Maybe you should come once again on board a LH or AF or BA flight within Europe during the week in October or February and count how many people are obviously travelling for business and how many are on holidays.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 01 Sep 2007, 22:15

Another (temporary) change in their luggage check-in policy: "Skis for free !"

But if you read their "Skis for Free offer Terms & Conditions", you'll see this: "...Carriage of equipment is subject to space availability on the aircraft and cannot be guaranteed..."

I can imagine this conversation at the check-in:
FR: "gdday, can I have your credit card please?"
pax: "you will transport my skis for free, isn't it?"
FR: "yes. Although... We cannot guarantee it, as it's very busy today. Look around: I see plenty of skis - actually, I've never seen that many skis in my whole life. So perhaps it's better for you to check them in as normal luggage, at 6 euro per ski each way. Then your holiday won't be spoiled, isn't it?"
pax: "euh, OK, I'll pay the extra".
FR : "OK, I'll do so. Can I look at your skis please? Oeps, your skis are far above our standard luggage sizes. So I will have to charge you a manual handling luggage fee, as we've explained to you on our website. Do you have any other luggage?"

TUB001 · Post by **TUB001** » 01 Sep 2007, 23:45

LX-LGX, why couldn't you just hold your hands *over* your keyboard and not press on the *submit* button when it comes to your typical Ryanair bashing? Just don't fly them if you are not happy with the company.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 02 Sep 2007, 00:23

TUB001 wrote:LX-LGX, why couldn't you just hold your hands *over* your keyboard and not press on the *submit* button when it comes to your typical Ryanair bashing? Just don't fly them if you are not happy with the company.

Ryanair is lying and cheating once again. It's not because their tickets are very cheap that they're allowed to do so.

1. The one day, Ryanair tells us pax have to pay extra for luggage "because pax without luggage then don't have to pay for luggage from other pax". And the next day, they say transport of skis is for free. Which means: pax without luggage must pay for the transport of skis from other pax. What is this for nonsense, asking a handling fee for a suitcase but not for the more expensive handling of skis?

2. Ryanair announces in big letters "Skis for free", but hidden in their conditions, they say transport is not guarantueed. This is misleading publicity, forbitten by law.

3. Ryanair announces in big letters "Skis for free", but hidden in their conditions, they say it's actually 0,01 euro. I agree that 0,01 euro is very very close to "for free". But they know that "for free" sounds commercially much better then "at 0,01 euro", so they wrongly use "for free". This is, once again, misleading publicity, forbitten by law.

airazurxtror · Post by **airazurxtror** » 02 Sep 2007, 12:00

LX-LGX, aren't you a bit parano about FR ?

lcc · Post by **lcc** » 02 Sep 2007, 14:21

LX-LGX wrote:But if you read their "Skis for Free offer Terms & Conditions", you'll see this: "...Carriage of equipment is subject to space availability on the aircraft and cannot be guaranteed..."

So, when you have to pay for checked-in luggage, you critize Ryanair, but when it is free, you critize them as well!!!???

Please, don't tell us that you are very objective on this company...

Again, I really don't see any problem in this offer. Don't you know that a hold of an aircraft has not unlimited spaces?
Ryanair covered themselves for what they can't do (increase the volume of their hold) as all the compagny in the world would do

There is very very very very very few chances that there will not have enough space for all the skis. But in the eventuality it happen, Ryanair covers its self, that's 100% logic

I, and I am sure all the skiers as well, consider that it's very good news. Critize this decision ronly shows an non objective opinion on Ryanair

ag894, I am 100% agree with you. Fees for web check-in was non sense. I can't understand people that critize the new policy

lcc · Post by **lcc** » 02 Sep 2007, 15:01

euroflyer, there are on this forum (and on all the forums actualy), anti/pro Ryanair. As a pro ryanair, I can't blame you that you don't like this airline. I assume there are as many people that they hate ryanair as for easyJet, vueling, SN, air france etc

The problem for ryanair is that all their decisions are critized, and in almost all the cases, it is unfair critics or stupid exagerations, such as:

euroflyer wrote:I saved another 50 cents because I booked the middle seat 4 months in advance via Internet in the middle of the night ... 8) 8)

I am sure that you will agree with me that there is 0% of chances to happen. It is like the joke that in one day, you will have to pay for the toilets. I have seen this "joke" on public forum for 3-4 years, and stil some people are very happy to tell that, whereas of course there is 0% of chance that it will happen.

euroflyer wrote:I am not sure if "this industry", as you say, is really just about price. This might be the case for many leisure travellers (but even here not for all, you know, some people are still prepared to pay to get at least some level of service 8) ), but not for most business travellers.

I agree with you. Given that leisure passengers should represent around 80% of ryanair passengers, I am sure you will agree with me when I said that ryanair passenger don't choose the way they fly, but only which airline allow them to fly according to their budget

What was the situation of the air transport industry before the low costs?
Millions of dollars of looses, very few airlines profitable, travel only allowed for rich people.
Today, due to the development of lcc, the majors had to restructure their organisation, redefine their network, find new strategy to compete (eg. revenue management) and drastic reduction of costs. The results is that today, most of european airlines are profitable (af, lh, ib, ba, ei, tap etc)
Without the low cost, never these airlines would have done the restructuration they needed to do.
And above all, compared to 15 years ago, millions of passengers have every months the possibility to travel with very low prices. You can blame Ryanair, but never forget that passengers are not stupid. Every people in Belgium know SN and when they want to travel, THEY CHECK the prices FOR BOTH SN and FR, and choose the lower. Same thing in France with AF, in ireland with EI, in germany with LH. People that consider that 3 millions of passengers every months are stupid because they choose Ryanair whereas there is always a difference of few euros ARE the one which are stupid.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 02 Sep 2007, 16:29

Posting something against Ryanair is becoming a risky business here. But actually, it has nothing to do with being pro or contra Ryanair. It is about respecting the existing laws towards us (= the passengers) and towards other other airlines (who do respect the laws). As an outsider, I hate it to see how Ryanair is constantly violating both Belgian and European legislation. Therefore my posts.

Also, lcc, it would be great if you would READ what I'm saying, and not what you think I'm saying.

1) I'm pointing out that the luggage story from Ryanair is one big (commercial) lie: on Monday, Ryanair tell us you won't have to pay for luggage from other passengers anymore. And on Tuesday, they do exactly the opposite, by letting pax without luggage pay for skis from other pax. So don't blame me for this Ryanair-nonsense please.

2) I'm pointing out that Ryanair is hiding the fact that their offer is not guarantueed.

3) I'm pointing out that they should announce "charge 0,01 euro" and not "for free".

euroflyer · Post by **euroflyer** » 02 Sep 2007, 17:48

LX-LGX wrote:Posting something against Ryanair is becoming a risky business here.

Also, lcc, it would be great if you would READ what I'm saying, and not what you think I'm saying.

:kvole: Fully agree

As I said, FR might by ok for certain people, but they are not for me, what's wrong with this, lcc

FR just rides on the wave which we in Germany call "Geiz ist geil" and which basically means, no matter what the product and the service is like, as long as it is cheap, I buy ...

And they have to follow the law just like any other airline.

And, well, not all EU airlines were making losses before FR came in.

airazurxtror · Post by **airazurxtror** » 02 Sep 2007, 18:02

euroflyer wrote: FR just rides on the wave which we in Germany call "Geiz ist geil" and which basically means, no matter what the product and the service is like, as long as it is cheap, I buy ...

.... which basically means that the Ryanair customer is an idiot.
Really ?
When I have to go to, say, Rome, I would be an idiot booking on Brussels Airlines (at least 100 euros return) or Alitalia (at the very least 120 euros, the sure delays included), when I can get a Ryanair return flight for 30 or 50 euros all included.
Not to speak of the much better convenience of CRL and CIA vs BRU (be there at least two hours in advance) and FCO (say good bye to your luggage) ...

euroflyer · Post by **euroflyer** » 02 Sep 2007, 18:44

airazurxtror wrote:
euroflyer wrote: FR just rides on the wave which we in Germany call "Geiz ist geil" and which basically means, no matter what the product and the service is like, as long as it is cheap, I buy ...
.... which basically means that the Ryanair customer is an idiot.
Really ?
When I have to go to, say, Rome, I would be an idiot booking on Brussels Airlines (at least 100 euros return) or Alitalia (at the very least 120 euros, the sure delays included), when I can get a Ryanair return flight for 30 or 50 euros all included.
Not to speak of the much better convenience of CRL and CIA vs BRU (be there at least two hours in advance) and FCO (say good bye to your luggage) ...

No, not an idiot, just somebody just looking for the best price - regardless of the rest (I know it is a bit black and white, no need to tell me

!)

I cannot see any advantage of CRL, I fly from BRU two times a week with either SN, LH or any other airline, I use web checkin (yes they do provide it for free as well

) and I never arrive more than 50 minutes prior to departure. And I do not to travel have the way to Rome by car (WARNING: this was a joke

!). I have my seat on the aisle for sure (because I used web-check in with the possibility to already choose my seat), I get at least a water and a coffee for free (with LH even in economy, with SN in b.flex-economy), I can recline (correct word?) my seat, I can change my flight with the correct type of ticket, I have the choice out of a number of flights according to my schedule (not according to FR's) and so on.

I am prepared to pay 50 or 100 Euro more for this. If you are not, ok (and you are not stupid because of this 8) , but neither am I if I choose service over price).

lcc · Post by **lcc** » 02 Sep 2007, 18:53

LX-LGX wrote:1) I'm pointing out that the luggage story from Ryanair is one big (commercial) lie: on Monday, Ryanair tell us you won't have to pay for luggage from other passengers anymore. And on Tuesday, they do exactly the opposite, by letting pax without luggage pay for skis from other pax. So don't blame me for this Ryanair-nonsense please.

Where did you see that PAX with no luggage will pay for ski from others passengers??? Where did you see an increase of the price that passengers without luggage will pay???
Passengers without bag will be very happy to web check-in for free and to have priority boarding for free as well. I don't see your point.
I assume that ryanair thinks that with free ski they will attract more customers. And it is good for the ad as well. I don't see where passenger without luggage will pay for passengers with ski??? When you say that, i am sorry but you are not correct.

LX-LGX wrote:2) I'm pointing out that Ryanair is hiding the fact that their offer is not guarantueed.

I clicked on the link with is on the home page of the website, and I read in a very normal police: Carriage of equipment is subject to space availability on the aircraft and cannot be guaranteed.
Is it hidden? I also think that 99.9% of people understand than if the hold of the A/C is full, they can not take additional skis. But you know what, do the test, book a flight on ryanair with your ski, and I am sure that there won't have any problem for you to bring it for free

LX-LGX wrote:3) I'm pointing out that they should announce "charge 0,01 euro" and not "for free".

funny

Again, thanks to ryanair opponent, now everybody know that bringing ski is free this year!!! Actually, you are really so kind with this compagny

Finally, don't be afraid, you don't risk anything by posting a ryanair bashing post. Just a reply from a pro Ryanair, is that so dangerous?

You also risk an increase of ryanair bookings thanks to your free ad, but maybee it is actually your initial purpose

lcc · Post by **lcc** » 02 Sep 2007, 19:05

euroflyer, you do whatever you want

You are not Ryanair "target", no problem
But don't blame those for whom a price difference of 100€ is a huge difference. Again, on CRLFAO and CRLVLC, I did the simulation and the average price difference with SN was of 140€ less expansive with ryanair.
You prefer to pay 60-100-150-400€ more to have a free coffee and a seat in the aisle for sure, it is absolutely your right

But please, just don't say anymore that people who choose ryanair are stupid, because that is exactly what you said ("but as long as there are enough people stupid enough running into their traps it seems to work for them")

Lots of people don't have your power of buying
Lots of people wouldn't be abble to travel without ryanair
This people only want a good price and a very high standard of safety, and this is exactly what Ryanair offers
And finally, don't forget that also lots of people (leisure and traveler) from around charleroi pay less to go at CRL than if they had to go to BRU...
And they are not stupid neither

euroflyer · Post by **euroflyer** » 02 Sep 2007, 20:29

lcc wrote:
But don't blame those for whom a price difference of 100€ is a huge difference.

...

This people only want a good price and a very high standard of safety, and this is exactly what Ryanair offers

Fully agree to this part of your post, lcc

Still: I will not like this way of travelling and I am still convinced, because I have heard a number of stories on this first hand, many many people every day book flights with FR, just because they think FR has to be the cheapest option. They do not do as many research on the prices as you did for some routes (and this was just for one given day, it might have changed the next day ...) and they just believe FR's marketing (which is doing a impressive job). And as we two surely both know, if you do not compare the prices and if you do not take into account all the add-on costs for different types of check-in, for luggage, for priority boarding and so on, you will be easily in a situation in which your FR flight is more expansive than one with LH, AF, SN, AB or any other airline.

And regarding the discussion on taking your ski with you. What a policy is this? We take your ski as long as we have enough space?? Hey, if I want to go skiing I plan this at least some days in advance, I book a hotel or a flat, and than they tell me at check-in: sorry, today no space for your ski but you are welcome to go without them?? Oh come on, this is really just a joke for public relation reasons. And in a way it is typical for FR, but ok, maybe I am just too old and not flexible enough for their lifestyle

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 02 Sep 2007, 22:27

lcc wrote:Where did you see that PAX with no luggage will pay for ski from others passengers??? Where did you see an increase of the price that passengers without luggage will pay???

I'm just trying to following Ryanair's policy that the cost of the check-in counters has only to be paid by the users. Ryanair's own press release 24/08/2007: "Passengers who wish to travel with checked baggage will be subject to a small fee to reflect the cost of airport check in desk facilities." Honestly, I must admit: it's quite a stunt from Ryanair's marketing division to make a suitcase exceptional on a plane. This nonsense even works with you...

lcc wrote:Passengers without bag will be very happy to web check-in for free and to have priority boarding for free as well.

I do hope I will never have to sit in a ski-lift, in a après-ski-bar, in a cosy restaurant, uphills or downtown, or on the coach back to the airport next to one of your no-luggage skiers who has survived one week of skiing with only fresh clothings, brought in as hand luggage only.

lcc wrote:I clicked on the link with is on the home page of the website, and I read in a very normal police: Carriage of equipment is subject to space availability on the aircraft and cannot be guaranteed.
Is it hidden? I also think that 99.9% of people understand than if the hold of the A/C is full, they can not take additional skis. But you know what, do the test, book a flight on ryanair with your ski, and I am sure that there won't have any problem for you to bring it for free.

No sir. The biggest link you get when you click on "Skis for free" only shows you the conditions from their special 10 euro offer. To find out the terms and conditions of the "free skis", you have to click back, and look for a small link (on my screen, it's 20 times smaller). But then, trust it will change after tomorrow (3th Sept), when that offer ends.

lcc wrote:But you know what, do the test, book a flight on Ryanair with your ski, and I am sure that there won't have any problem for you to bring it for free.

Thanks but no thanks. If it's 100% sure, why is Ryanair adding "subject to space availability", do you think? Indeed, because they KNOW it will not always be possible. I feel ripped off when somebody fills my screen with "it's free", and they don't mention at that very moment "but subject to availability".

lcc wrote:Again, thanks to Ryanair opponent, ...

Actually, I'm not a Ryanair opponent: I don't work for any airline or airport, I'm not a member from the Royal Zoute Gholf Club so I don't meet Davignon or Lippens there and I don't have a single Macquarie share. But I just oppose to every attempt any airline makes to abuse and/or violate Belgian consumer laws, Belgian trade laws and/or European legislation. I cannot help it that Ryanair is market leader for this kind of stuff.

Airbus330lover · Post by **Airbus330lover** » 03 Sep 2007, 09:36

LX-LGX wrote:
lcc wrote:Again, thanks to Ryanair opponent, ...
Actually, I'm not a Ryanair opponent: I don't work for any airline or airport, I'm not a member from the Royal Zoute Gholf Club so I don't meet Davignon or Lippens there and I don't have a single Macquarie share. But I just oppose to every attempt any airline makes to abuse and/or violate Belgian consumer laws, Belgian trade laws and/or European legislation. I cannot help it that Ryanair is market leader for this kind of stuff.

to LCC:
You must have a big problem.
Everybody is not a Ryanair opponent. Yous seems to be a FR enthousiast and it's perfect for me!
But you and all travellers needs to keep eyes open (and this is perhaps your problem !)

I fly FR and other airlines, but if I have a busy week, I avoid this airline due to the "special policy" of this airline.
The laws are for everybody and for FR to.

regi · Post by **regi** » 03 Sep 2007, 17:04

the general idea is that you pay for what you use. So let Ryanair pay the real full cost of the use of the Charleoi airport facilities. Transfer that cost to the ticket price, and we will see how much cheaper Ryanair really is.

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 04 Sep 2007, 15:25

regi wrote:the general idea is that you pay for what you use. So let Ryanair pay the real full cost of the use of the Charleoi airport facilities. Transfer that cost to the ticket price, and we will see how much cheaper Ryanair really is.

Yeah right, I forgot, CRL is paying FR for every passenger. [/sarcasm off]
The charges are cheaper than BRU, but what do you expect at an underused regional airport?
Price difference at Jetairfly or Tomas Cook flights from LGG or OST can't be more than 10 euro's because of tax difference. Even if you charge BRU taxes at CRL, FR would still be way cheaper... They are this cheap because they save on a lot of things (new aircraft, lower wages, ...), not just because they take advantage of the lower taxes at underused airports.