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Gerissenheit, Finesse, Raffinesse, Gewitztheit, Pfiffigkeit

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blackbox wrote:Let's face it: the fleet is a weak point of SN. I know people avoiding SN because they don't want to end up in thos BAEs/Avro's...
Yes, who will tell them? Years ago it was the Swiss [Wilhem Tell :wink: ] that told SN needed a Airbus fleet, in German...
I will tell them in English, that the lesson then was, don't buy what cann't pay....

When you don't have the money, you need imagination.
Some people obviously think that imagination can be found in Africa.
In German that is called: Gewieftheit (Wasn't Wilhem Tell not from Uri?)
Synonyme für Gewieftheit: Gerissenheit, Finesse, Raffinesse, Gewitztheit, Pfiffigkeit, Raffinement, Schlauheit, Trick, Findigkeit, Schläue, Kunstgriff, Feinheit.

The economies of French speaking Africa, with their CFA linked currency, are like a fish on the dry. Some say their condition is worse than 20 years ago....
Leaves: English speaking Africa.
Their economies are doing a little better. Their airlines have an african and intercontinental network*.
Thriving african economies that do well, have petrol.

That narrows the selection to a Portuguese speaking country and a few English speaking countries, that are in a process of quickly learning Chinese.

Of all the african countries, it looks like the airline is selecting, frenchspeaking, landlocked countries without petrol**.

Call that Gerissenheit, Finesse, Raffinesse, Gewitztheit, Pfiffigkeit, Raffinement, Schlauheit, Trick, Findigkeit, Schläue, Kunstgriff, Feinheit.

*All these countries have also intercontinental airlines visiting them. French speaking countries have few of these links, as there are are: DXB, SIN, KUL, BOM/DEL and other chinese destinations.
**Do they project to transport not more than the staff of IMF, the Worldbank and their families.

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How do you explain that some of the A330 take max fuel in BRU to fuel less in Africa?
Jeez i can't believe it. Are you sure about that?
Must be crazy if you think how much extra payload that represents...

I was quite sure Africa produces more Petrol than Europe.
Anyway I'm pretty sure kerosene is cheaper in South Africa.

I support SN's decision because their aim is mainly to improve the long-haul routes thanks to the local Avro routes... It is on their A330's that they make the most of the profit anyway.
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blackbox wrote:I know people avoiding SN because they don't want to end up in thos BAEs/Avro's...
Those people are wrong. Those Avros (in SN configuration) are more comfortable than many more modern planes. Or than Ryanair Boeing 737-800s.
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Having worked on 737's and 320 family, I thought of the Avro are very positive.Some companies have it configured with 3-3 seats while SN keeps their 2-3 seat configuration. Passengers have wider seats then on the modernised Recaro seats of other companies.
OO-SFW might be Wet Leased to Hewa Bora for the summer to do FIH on tuesdays...

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sn26567 wrote:
blackbox wrote:I know people avoiding SN because they don't want to end up in thos BAEs/Avro's...
Those people are wrong. Those Avros (in SN configuration) are more comfortable than many more modern planes. Or than Ryanair Boeing 737-800s.
Totally agree! On the other hand EVERY seat in the world is better then the Ryanair bench I'll sit on tomorrow. ;-) But hey, you pay nothing: you get nothing.

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P.S. In the same line, but then for the Airline HRM people amongst you: If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys!

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Going to Girona perhaps?

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Unfortunately not: Business trip to Pisa for a trade fair. Oh well, I admit, there're worse destinations one has to go to for business...

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A nice name ! :wink:

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This is maybe the project name, the commercial name will come later. This name is toO close from PanAmerican Airlimes. This is as an american airline would create *Sabafrican airlines" :?

What mean "été prochain". Summer 2007 or 2008?

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Looks like they have the same tune as the Theme from M*A*S*H :roll:

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sn26567 wrote: Those Avros (in SN configuration) are more comfortable than many more modern planes. Or than Ryanair Boeing 737-800s.
Comfort is not only seat pitch.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I imagine that air conditioning and pressurization systems have been much improved since the epoch when the BAe 146 were built, last century. And the engine noise. And the baggage bins.
The Ryanair seats are as good and comfortable as any - only the seat pitch is small.
(Speaking of seats, the seats of some Brussels Airlines Avro are really worn out, and it shows !).

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Back on topic guys and girls! :offtopic:

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blackhawk wrote:Back on topic guys and girls! :offtopic:
The topic is indeed:
Brussels Airlines adventure in Africa: soon an announcement.
We are all like Tintin looking out for an announcement.

Image(Tintin au royaume des Babaoro'm, où il devient le sorcier attitré. Il découvrira que les hommes blancs qui veulent sa mort sont des gangsters affiliés à Al Capone, qui veut contrôler la production de diamants au Congo...)

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Hi Guy,

Does anyone has any information concerning the B.Air project in Africa. I have heard a lot of news concerning project to create airlines in Mauritius, Burundi, Rwanda, etc... I also heard their intention to participate to privatization of Camair (Cameroon), Rwanda Express (Rwanda).


Their idea to run an airline in Mauritius, Burundi or Rwanda, i don't understand how this airlines could cover a large part of Africa from one of these countries.


Any news about these informations, or are they just words ?

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steeven205 wrote:Their idea to run an airline in Mauritius, Burundi or Rwanda, i don't understand how this airlines could cover a large part of Africa from one of these countries.
The idea is not to run the operations there, yet to have the administrative HQ there. The main reason being the certification of the aircraft. The certification process in Mauritius is very similar to the European process. I guess they chose a country with a similar process for perception reasons...

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teddybAIR wrote: The idea is not to run the operations there, yet to have the administrative HQ there. The main reason being the certification of the aircraft. The certification process in Mauritius is very similar to the European process. I guess they chose a country with a similar process for perception reasons...
It means that this company will need to be granted the 5th freedom traffic rights. In Europe, it could be possible because of the european legislation, but in Africa such legislation doesn't exist, and they will need to discuss with each country they want to serve "routes" after "routes"

Is this realistic to launch out in such an adventure?

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steeven205

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It is probably subjective, but I don't avoid flying BAe146's or Avrojets. They are not my favourite aircraft, but they are more than OK in the SN 2x3 pax configuration.
I don't understand (but that's because I'm note an expert nor have all the details) why base six BAe146s in Rwanda. I thought the sensible thing to do is to have a daily sn frequency to EBB with six feeder BAe146 (based in Uganda ?) to and from EBB from, for instance :
1. Kigali
2. Bujumbura
3. Dar es Salam
4. Nairobi
5. Mombasa
6. Lumubashi
And have a daily BRU EBB BRU flight.
What do you, guys, think of it ?
In favor of quality air travel.

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The idea to base 6 feeder Bae146s in Rwanda, and have daily frequency to EBB is not so good, because the B.Air is to developp their flights to Africa.

So B.Air should base the 6 Bae146 in the "heart of Africa", a country like Cameroon, as they planned to do ("The first idea is always the best"),from this country which is at 6 hours flying from Brussels, they could serve : cental, east and west africa (more than 20 countries) with flights of a duration of 2 or 3 hours.

In Rwanda (East Africa) they will face competition of great Airlines like Ethiopian Airlines and Kenya Airways.

I think that they should try to form an airline in Cameroon as they previously wanted, "It would be the best choice".

In the other hand, i am not convinced that it is a good idea for B.AIR to be associated with any african government for such project, especially when we see what happen to most of national carrier of african countries.

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Strong rumours within SN have it that Brussels Airlines will officially announce a regional airline project for Congo in September, much along the lines of the failed Camair project whereby they will set up a regional airline together with the local government and provide it with both know-how and some Bae146.

Anybody else already thought it was weird to see SN had uploaded the entire winter schedule for Africa, but for the FIH flights? :wink:

Depending approval from the Congolese government which according to the same rumours should come in September, my bet is SN will be granted daily rights on the route (iso 5 weekly now) after which SN will announce both the new daily direct flight schedule AND announce the African hub...

Just an educated guess though, but derived from combining latest rumours, clear hints ('project NEON') and facts (the omission of the flight schedule to FIH).

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