Trans-Atlantic B757 Flights

AVION1 · Post by **AVION1** » 02 Aug 2007, 12:34

737-900ER is the 752 successor, that's why Boieng close the 757 assembly line(and they were no more orders)

CO may use the belnd winglet 737-900ER in the near future on transatlantic flights to replace older 752

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 02 Aug 2007, 13:32

The 737-900ER doesn't have either the range and capacity or the hot and high capabilities of the 757-200. It's more of a stopgap plane until Boeing gets the Y1 out the door.

smokejumper · Post by **smokejumper** » 02 Aug 2007, 15:13

earthman wrote:The 737-900ER doesn't have either the range and capacity or the hot and high capabilities of the 757-200. It's more of a stopgap plane until Boeing gets the Y1 out the door.

The 737-700ER has a range of 5,510nm (10,200km) with a 76 Premier Class passenger seating. This version is based on the BBJ aircraft and has been ordered by a Japanese carrier.

Of course, 76 passengers is a light load, but the higher ticket charge for "Premier Class" seating offsets the lower capacity. I do not beleive that Continental has ordered any of this version, but it does offer point-to-point service for many low density routes, such as Denver-Warsaw (5,306nm - 8,540km) or Milan-Caracas (5,011nm - 8,064km).

The Boeing 737-700's range is listed as 3,365nm (6,230km) which nicely accomodates flights between New York and Edinborogh (3,268nm or 6,230km). Either low density routes or a marketing desire to increase frequency between city pairs make the 737 or similar aircraft a viable alternative to larger aircraft.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 02 Aug 2007, 16:36

smokejumper wrote:
earthman wrote:The 737-900ER doesn't have either the range and capacity or the hot and high capabilities of the 757-200. It's more of a stopgap plane until Boeing gets the Y1 out the door.
The 737-700ER has a range of 5,510nm (10,200km) with a 76 Premier Class passenger seating. This version is based on the BBJ aircraft and has been ordered by a Japanese carrier.

Of course, 76 passengers is a light load, but the higher ticket charge for "Premier Class" seating offsets the lower capacity. I do not beleive that Continental has ordered any of this version, but it does offer point-to-point service for many low density routes, such as Denver-Warsaw (5,306nm - 8,540km) or Milan-Caracas (5,011nm - 8,064km).

The Boeing 737-700's range is listed as 3,365nm (6,230km) which nicely accomodates flights between New York and Edinborogh (3,268nm or 6,230km). Either low density routes or a marketing desire to increase frequency between city pairs make the 737 or similar aircraft a viable alternative to larger aircraft.

Yes but it's no replacement for the kind of transatlantic routes the 757 is being used for. With winglets it can fly 7600km, with 200 pax in 2-class config.

The 737-700ER has 126 seats in 2-class config. The range (5375nm) is indeed impressive or horrifying, depending on which class you're stuck in.

But with that number of seats it's just a different plane.

smokejumper · Post by **smokejumper** » 02 Aug 2007, 18:30

The 737 and the 757 share the same 707 fuselage cross-section (11' 7" or 3.53 meters). With 6 abreast seating, the comfort (or discomfort level) will be the same.

smokejumper · Post by **smokejumper** » 02 Aug 2007, 20:53

Air International (July 2007 issue) is carrying an article on private trans-Atlantic air service. Accoring to the article, EOR airlines is flying 757-200ER flights with 48 premium seats. l'Avion (formerly Elysair) is flying 6 times per week between New York and Paris with planes seating 90.

This is certainly a lot more comfortable than a 757 seating 200 passengers!

DC3 Fan · Post by **DC3 Fan** » 02 Aug 2007, 21:06

The reference may be to EOS, rather than EOR. We're flying LAX to STN (London) on MaxJet in a 767 with 102 seats for $722 incl tax. Not as roomy as EOS, but quite nice for the price.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 02 Aug 2007, 21:11

don't forget Privatair's 757 : 49 seats...

http://tinyurl.com/29kxqd

smokejumper · Post by **smokejumper** » 02 Aug 2007, 22:29

DC3 Fan wrote:The reference may be to EOS, rather than EOR. We're flying LAX to STN (London) on MaxJet in a 767 with 102 seats for $722 incl tax. Not as roomy as EOS, but quite nice for the price.

You are right - it is EOS (let's blame it on my typing!)

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 03 Aug 2007, 09:25

smokejumper wrote:The 737 and the 757 share the same 707 fuselage cross-section (11' 7" or 3.53 meters). With 6 abreast seating, the comfort (or discomfort level) will be the same.

Ah but isn't the 757 more quiet, because the engines are further from the fuselage?

David747 · Post by **David747** » 03 Aug 2007, 09:42

737-900ER as a replacement for the 752 is logical, but Boeing could have done more with the 757 IMO. But since earthman brought up the Y-1 program, what will be the odds that Boeing builds a family of aircraft that will replace both the 737 and 757. One plane bigger than the 737-900ER yet almost equal to the sides of the 757, with a wider cross section for comfort.

cageyjames · Post by **cageyjames** » 03 Aug 2007, 18:55

I think Boeing did everything they could to keep the 757 program going. After 9/11 there was almost no orders for the aircraft anymore. I'm sure the 752 would have been a great sales tool over the last couple years, but it was getting old. Maybe some sort of 757-800ER or something could have been done, but the reality is that there were no orders and airlines were not interested in seeing the line remain open. Most were hurting for 737NG airframes and for them hearing the 757 line would produce these was probably music to their ears.

K_R · Post by **K_R** » 03 Aug 2007, 20:42

carlcat wrote:We talk here about the 757 transatlantic .
Does there exist a transatlantic A321 ?
Almost same size as the B757 .

Today I saw a AirTransat A320 leaving from Brussels to Toronto... Is that even possible.

And last month, the Brazilian president was here with a B737...

cageyjames · Post by **cageyjames** » 03 Aug 2007, 21:45

A320 and A321 both would have trouble making it much further than Ireland from the eastern USA. The A319 can make it to most of "atlantic europe", but that isn't that wonderful.

RC20 · Post by **RC20** » 04 Aug 2007, 05:20

David747 wrote:737-900ER as a replacement for the 752 is logical, but Boeing could have done more with the 757 IMO. But since earthman brought up the Y-1 program, what will be the odds that Boeing builds a family of aircraft that will replace both the 737 and 757. One plane bigger than the 737-900ER yet almost equal to the sides of the 757, with a wider cross section for comfort.

One of the idea floating is that they actually would do two aircraft. A two aisle (mini wide body) for 180-250, and single aisle below 150-180.

The numbers are not exact, as the single aisle and the wide aisle could cross capacity wise depending on the needs, but a rough idea of the notion.