I'm not sure. What are we saying here - that because you are a developing country you should only get old crappy equipment? Not sure that will help. Lets face it I would rather go on a Taag 73G than a 732 - not that you would get me anywhere near one of their aircraft now....
The Angolans I work with know that there is a problem and none have said that the EU have done anything wrong. It is the government (unelected) that has taken exception and in the wrong way. The people here are getting tetchy that things aren't changing quickly in terms of cost of living, employment, healthcare, education and Taag to them is just another example of the corruption they see as endemic here. I see corruption but to be honest it doesn't seem any worse than many other more developed states like those in the Gulf.
An example of people's near hysterical paranoia was today when they claimed that Taag's new 777's were not in fact new but 10 years old. Taag paid for new planes to an intermediary who promptly bought ten year old 777's and got them painted by Boeing. Of course the difference in value went to the intermediary!!! They actually believe this to be true....
EU bans all Indonesian and some other airlines
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Mr Chunk don't do mistakes about TAAG ang Angola ok
chunk on 07 May 2004chunk wrote:An example of people's near hysterical paranoia was today when they claimed that Taag's new 777's were not in fact new but 10 years old. Taag paid for new planes to an intermediary who promptly bought ten year old 777's and got them painted by Boeing. Of course the difference in value went to the intermediary!!! They actually believe this to be true....
My only question is: ARE U SURE OF THAT??? PLEASE DONT TELL DO MISTAKES IN YOUR VIEWS HERE EXPRESSED, NEITHER INCLUDE OUR GOVERNANCE SYSTEM UNDER YOUR POOR VIEWS!!! THANKS
If you want to know more about TAAG's businesses, pls go to: http://www.taag.com.br / http://www.taag.pt or just contact-me at: airconsult@supernet.ao .
Angola airline prepares for final Europe flight
TAAG-Angola Airlines is set to make its final flight from Europe on Thursday: TAAG's final European flight was due to leave from Lisbon.
Angola would ban British Airways, Air France and TAP Air Portugal.
DT 651 TAAG STD 10:00 PM ETA 05:37 AM
DT 653 TAAG STD 10:30 PM ETA 06:00 AM 777
TP 257 TAP-Air Portugal STD 11:20 PM ETA 07:05 AM 343
Who will fly the hundreds (or thousands) stranded passengers?
Chunk how are you coming back?
I suggest we charter a flight!
TAAG-Angola Airlines is set to make its final flight from Europe on Thursday: TAAG's final European flight was due to leave from Lisbon.
Angola would ban British Airways, Air France and TAP Air Portugal.
DT 651 TAAG STD 10:00 PM ETA 05:37 AM
DT 653 TAAG STD 10:30 PM ETA 06:00 AM 777
TP 257 TAP-Air Portugal STD 11:20 PM ETA 07:05 AM 343
Who will fly the hundreds (or thousands) stranded passengers?
Chunk how are you coming back?
I suggest we charter a flight!
Indonesia threatens retaliation on EU air ban
Indonesia threatens retaliation on EU air ban.
Indonesia on Thursday threatened to retaliate against a European Union ban on safety grounds of all 51 of its civilian airlines unless negotiations resulted in a lifting of the prohibition.
Such ban would cost Indonesia's tourism industry hundreds of millions of dollars if tourists cancel trips and decide to avoid taking domestic flights.
More than 400,000 American and EU tourists who visited Indonesia last year flew on Indonesian domestic lines.
Australia, Hong Kong and Singapore which have not banned Garuda Indonesia could take over the traffic, thinks the deputy transport minister responsible for aviation.
No Indonesian carriers currently fly to either Europe or the US.
Indonesia on Thursday threatened to retaliate against a European Union ban on safety grounds of all 51 of its civilian airlines unless negotiations resulted in a lifting of the prohibition.
Such ban would cost Indonesia's tourism industry hundreds of millions of dollars if tourists cancel trips and decide to avoid taking domestic flights.
More than 400,000 American and EU tourists who visited Indonesia last year flew on Indonesian domestic lines.
Australia, Hong Kong and Singapore which have not banned Garuda Indonesia could take over the traffic, thinks the deputy transport minister responsible for aviation.
No Indonesian carriers currently fly to either Europe or the US.
I have no idea who is flying the stranded ones back but Taag have a contingency plan involving an airline from Cape Verde ferrying pax between Lisbon and SAL then connecting to Taag. Those on TAP have a major problem. I, at the moment, am ok as I am on SAA to Johannesburg as usual. The problem is that flight will be hideously overbooked so will probably need to be at the airport about 5 hours before the flight to get on it. Then again maybe this nonsense will have passed by then! I guess others will hop on Air Namibia, Ethiopian and even possibly Taag to JNB or Point Noire or something but it is hard to say.SN30952 wrote:Angola airline prepares for final Europe flight
TAAG-Angola Airlines is set to make its final flight from Europe on Thursday: TAAG's final European flight was due to leave from Lisbon.
Angola would ban British Airways, Air France and TAP Air Portugal.
DT 651 TAAG STD 10:00 PM ETA 05:37 AM
DT 653 TAAG STD 10:30 PM ETA 06:00 AM 777
TP 257 TAP-Air Portugal STD 11:20 PM ETA 07:05 AM 343
Who will fly the hundreds (or thousands) stranded passengers?
Chunk how are you coming back?
I suggest we charter a flight!
I have colleagues booked on TAP at the end of next week to come here - not sure how they are going to do - or if they bother. Thus proving how stupid this ban would be....more revenue for the local economy going to the crapper.
Are SN not banned then? Or have they stopped coming here?
Brussels Airlines (SN 359) SUNchunk wrote:Are SN not banned then? Or have they stopped coming here?
dep: 10:00 - Brussels (BRU)
arr: 17:30 - Luanda (LAD)
dep: 18:45 - Luanda (LAD)
arr: 06:10 - Brussels (BRU) equipment: Airbus Industrie A330-300
FRI JUL05
Arrivals from (ETA)
LIS DT 651 TAAG 05:37 AM En Route
LIS DT 653 TAAG 06:00 AM En Route 777
LIS TP 257 TAP-Air Portugal 07:05 AM 343
Departures to (STD)
LIS TP 252 TAP-Air Portugal 09:15 AM Scheduled 343
LIS DT 650 TAAG 10:00 PM Scheduled 777
That's all for EU destinations.
European Union said Friday they will send aviation safety experts to examine Indonesian airlines. It seems the EU ban decision was not based on the facts on the ground but based on an ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) report that will be released later in September
Indonesia has asked the EU 'to send a mission of safety aviation experts to check the situation.
Remember we had reported about that ICAO inspection in LZ.
Read also a letter of JEAN BRETECHE, Ambassador European Union Jakarta in The Jakarta Post
Indonesia has asked the EU 'to send a mission of safety aviation experts to check the situation.
Remember we had reported about that ICAO inspection in LZ.
Read also a letter of JEAN BRETECHE, Ambassador European Union Jakarta in The Jakarta Post
The reason why all 51 Indonesian carriers are banned is unbelievable. It's European bureaucracy at his best.
Jean Breteche, EU-Ambassador in Indonesia, tried to explain the ban to The Jakarta Post: "... Breteche added that the Commission had monitored the Indonesian airlines’ safety since the beginning of this year following a series of flight accidents in the country. He said that prior to the banning, the European Airplane Safety Committee and flight experts had carried out a discussion about the issue, which later suggested the Commission to consult with the Indonesian government about the matter. Breteche said that the Commission had sent letters to the Indonesian Transportation Ministry about the matter, but it did not respond them until the Commission finally issue the flying ban last week.”
The Indonesian Transport Minister has not replied to two EU-letters dated 2 april 2007 and 21 May 2007, and oeps: all Indonesian carriers are banned.
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2 July 2007: press release from ICAO: Indonesian aviation safety will improve.
http://www.icao.int/icao/en/nr/2007/pio200704_e.pdf
4th July 2007: the EU bans all 51 Indonesian carriers.
Jean Breteche, EU-Ambassador in Indonesia, tried to explain the ban to The Jakarta Post: "... Breteche added that the Commission had monitored the Indonesian airlines’ safety since the beginning of this year following a series of flight accidents in the country. He said that prior to the banning, the European Airplane Safety Committee and flight experts had carried out a discussion about the issue, which later suggested the Commission to consult with the Indonesian government about the matter. Breteche said that the Commission had sent letters to the Indonesian Transportation Ministry about the matter, but it did not respond them until the Commission finally issue the flying ban last week.”
The Indonesian Transport Minister has not replied to two EU-letters dated 2 april 2007 and 21 May 2007, and oeps: all Indonesian carriers are banned.
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2 July 2007: press release from ICAO: Indonesian aviation safety will improve.
http://www.icao.int/icao/en/nr/2007/pio200704_e.pdf
4th July 2007: the EU bans all 51 Indonesian carriers.
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<fictitious>
March 31st 2007:
Commisioner A: "Listen guys, the [[xxx]] got it absolutely wrong, their safety measures are below zero, this is simply too dangerous, we really ought to ban them from our airspace"
Commisioner B: "Oh but we can never do that just like thunder from a clear sky, surely these people are doing their best, you know they are a poor country, at least we ought to give them a chance to explain."
A (grumbling): "ok, we'll write them a polite letter, though I'm not sure we'll ever get an answer"
May 19th 2007:
A: "Well we did write them a letter, and what was their reply? Not only they're unsafe, they're impolite on top! I want them banned more than ever!"
B: "Oh but that would not be polite, you do not understand the situation of these poor countries, perhaps they never realised how important this is to us, surely we must show understanding"
A (grumbling worse than ever): "OK, we'll write again, but do make sure they understand it's a serious matter to us"
</fictitious>
July 4th, 2007: "all [[xxx]] carriers banned from EU airspace"
Who is surprised?
Who was right from the beginning?
Whose fault is it all?
March 31st 2007:
Commisioner A: "Listen guys, the [[xxx]] got it absolutely wrong, their safety measures are below zero, this is simply too dangerous, we really ought to ban them from our airspace"
Commisioner B: "Oh but we can never do that just like thunder from a clear sky, surely these people are doing their best, you know they are a poor country, at least we ought to give them a chance to explain."
A (grumbling): "ok, we'll write them a polite letter, though I'm not sure we'll ever get an answer"
May 19th 2007:
A: "Well we did write them a letter, and what was their reply? Not only they're unsafe, they're impolite on top! I want them banned more than ever!"
B: "Oh but that would not be polite, you do not understand the situation of these poor countries, perhaps they never realised how important this is to us, surely we must show understanding"
A (grumbling worse than ever): "OK, we'll write again, but do make sure they understand it's a serious matter to us"
</fictitious>
July 4th, 2007: "all [[xxx]] carriers banned from EU airspace"
Who is surprised?
Who was right from the beginning?
Whose fault is it all?
Japan says Garuda's safety satisfactory
Japan's Civil Aviation Bureau (CAB) announced last week that the carrier was allowed to operate in the country.
Japan's Civil Aviation Bureau (CAB) announced last week that the carrier was allowed to operate in the country.
"If Mohammed will not go to the mountain, the mountain must come to Mohammed". A delegation from Indonesia will leave for Brussels on 28th August: probably for a meeting with VIP-Eurocrats on 29th August, about the famous ban on all Indonesian carriers.
source: The Jakarta Post:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailnat ... H01&irec=0
source: The Jakarta Post:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailnat ... H01&irec=0
For Indonesian luchtzak-visitors:
as from 4th July 2007, Garuda is blacklisted by the European Union (all I-carriers are banned, as you will know). The Jakarta Post today (Monday) publishes a photo from Prince Laurent of Belgium and his family, deboarding a Garuda plane in Bali - coming from Celebes.
Can you confirm this? Any more information about that flight = before or after 4th July? Do you find the photo online?
source (sorry, Dutch only):
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=21707
edited after posting: it's indeed Prince Laurent of Belgium, and not Crown Prince Ph. of Belgium, as stated in my first post)
as from 4th July 2007, Garuda is blacklisted by the European Union (all I-carriers are banned, as you will know). The Jakarta Post today (Monday) publishes a photo from Prince Laurent of Belgium and his family, deboarding a Garuda plane in Bali - coming from Celebes.
Can you confirm this? Any more information about that flight = before or after 4th July? Do you find the photo online?
source (sorry, Dutch only):
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=21707
edited after posting: it's indeed Prince Laurent of Belgium, and not Crown Prince Ph. of Belgium, as stated in my first post)
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oeps, I will correct / edit it. It's indeed Prince Laurent, and not Crown Prince Philippe.Gliderpilot wrote:The article (from luchtvaartnieuws.nl) states it is prince Laurent and his family, not crown prince Philippe... Who is it now?
(But then I wonder: this Prince asks for more allowances from the Belgian tax payer. Wonder if he has flown Business Class or Economy...)
Garuda is banned by the EU-eurocrats. The Dutch Air Force (Koninklijke Luchtmacht) ( www.luchtmacht.nl ) however has announced on 30/08/2007 that they've appointed Garuda Maintenance Facility to do the five-yearly major checks on their three DC-10's (two are (K)DC-10's).
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=21780
(sorry, Dutch only)
(Indonesia is a former Dutch colony. But no, this decision is not politically inspired.)
(the article in L-nieuws.nl doens't mention D check, just "major check to be done every five years")
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=21780
(sorry, Dutch only)
(Indonesia is a former Dutch colony. But no, this decision is not politically inspired.)
(the article in L-nieuws.nl doens't mention D check, just "major check to be done every five years")