There was a B757 that crashed into the Pentagon or not?

nic_biso · Post by **nic_biso** » 08 May 2007, 19:20

I’ve been reading a lot over the internet, about the fact that a passenger jet did not really hit the Pentagon, on 9/11.

Watch this movie (in Flash) and judge for yourselves: http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
Also the full story here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

What do you think, there was indeed a Boeing 757 which crashed into the Pentagon or not?

Post by **ElcoB** » 08 May 2007, 19:29

No conspiracy theories on this site PLEASE

There are more sites on the internet about it than you ever can read. No need for another one.

bkonner · Post by **bkonner** » 09 May 2007, 02:27

I know two people who died in the World Trade Center who were on the AA flight from BOS to LAX. I suppose the plane did not crash into the North Tower?

Bill

nic_biso · Post by **nic_biso** » 09 May 2007, 08:05

Ok, guys, sorry for posting this, if you are offended in any way…
And I was referring about the Pentagon, not New York.

You have to admit that there are some questions raised about what happened at the Pentagon. Where were those engines guys? And why the wings didn’t leave any marks on the building walls? You don’t have to answer, there are just rhetorical questions…

TCAS_climb · Post by **TCAS_climb** » 09 May 2007, 09:12

The BBC made a 1h documentary on the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. Maybe you should try to get it online, I'm sure it must be somewhere.

The only "non-believers" left are those who DO NOT WANT to accept the idea that the most powerful nation in the world (if not the galaxy) can take such a beating by a bunch of guys with box-cutters. You have to admit that it's not a reassuring thought and for some people it's a source of too much anxiety. Then, from these people's point of view, it's comforting to think that it's a huge conspiracy and that, no, such a thing would never ever occur... Which, in my opinion, is totally dumb. Ten years before 9/11, Algerian terrorists tried to do blow-up an Air France Airbus over down-town Paris.

If the "non-believers" or conspiracists need these myths and lies to live in today's world, well... I feel kinda sorry for them but I have to respect that.

The documentary demonstrates that there was no conspiracy before or during the attack, and that the only conspiracy that occured happened AFTER 9/11, when government agencies and politics tried as hard as they can to cover their butt and blame the others.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 09 May 2007, 11:02

I would like to add the following link to this 'discussion': http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... 911_morons.

TCAS_climb · Post by **TCAS_climb** » 09 May 2007, 20:02

Guess what, the kid from "Loose change" found a sponsor in Hollywood and is now working on a new version for the big screen.

"Loose change" soon in a theater near you. No, I'm not kidding. How civilized and thoughtful.
Excuse me, but I have to go outside and puke...

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 09 May 2007, 21:53

Although I am sceptical of the whole 'where is the 757' thing, you can't help but notice it only takes the governement 5 minutes to release a tape from the other cameras to put this whole thing to rest, and yet... Nothing.

That is the strangest thing of all, to me.

PiperPA19 · Post by **PiperPA19** » 12 May 2007, 11:34

Where were those engines guys?

I've clearly seen turbine discs into the scrap piles on pictures. People who say it's a conspiracy don't know anything about airplanes, as they compare engine fan blades to the smaller turbine blades, and conclude that it is thus a smaller rocket type engine.

And why the wings didn’t leave any marks on the building walls?

Wasn't there a big hole in the pentagon then? My god, crash your car against a concrete wall at 200km/hr, do you expect a hole as big as your car in the wall? I rather think the wall will have some scratches and your car will be unrecogniseable. Same with the 757, why do people expect the wings to make nice fitting holes in a concrete wall?

Another conspiracy theory I found on the net, they compared the main wheels of the 757 with the wheels found in the debris...tada, they were smaller! Thus it must be a rocket type-aircraft!
Cmon people, a 757 has something like nose wheels...those wheels are only about 0.5 meters high, so easily comparable to main wheels of smaller jets.[/quote]

cherdt · Post by **cherdt** » 12 May 2007, 12:34

I don't believe in this conspiracy theory, but if you don't have the answers to the questions I don't think it's fair to declare somebody who asks these questions crazy or call him a moron. I see this as a frustration from "self declared aircraft experts" to react like this. Why can't we keep this forum a civilized place? If you don't know the answers to all questions, see it as an opportunity to learn something instead of calling people names.

vc-10 · Post by **vc-10** » 13 May 2007, 21:30

This is ridiculous.....
Why would the US Government try to fly anything into the Pentagon? Some freaks decided to be 'jihadis' and to try and kill as many people as possible in the name of Islam (which is stupid, as the Koran apparently tells Muslims to be peacefull.....

) and hijacked a 757 and flew it into the Pentagon. Why can't you accept this?

RE the turbine blades: If a bird can bend them, think what eating conctete will do to them. And as already said, only the front fan is the size of the engine diameter.... the inner ones (which greatly outnumber the fan) are much, much smaller.

regi · Post by **regi** » 14 May 2007, 16:33

It is very disturbing for my free civilian state of mind that the US government does not want to release the video of a large dish shaped unknown flying object above the Pentagon on time of the impact. Rumour is that green humanoids have hijacked the MoD ( =US Pentagon) and have replaced the president with a clone.

Post by **ElcoB** » 14 May 2007, 16:45

regi wrote:It is very disturbing for ...
.... with a clone.

LOL, but you have a typo : < clown >

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 16 May 2007, 23:53

First of all, you can't expect a 757 to leave it's outline in the building like in the cartoons. After diving it probably reached very hight speeds, and broke completely apart upon impact. The high speed also confirms the high pitched sound. The size thing may jest be that people didn't get a good look at it, also partially because it was going fast.

smokejumper · Post by **smokejumper** » 17 May 2007, 07:24

I'd like to add a couple of thoughts to this discussion. I live about 13 miles (20 Km) from the Pentagon.

The wife of a friend's legal partner was on the 757 - he attended the memorial service. If no plane crashed, what happened to her.

American Airlines lost a 757 in the crash - if the plane did not crash into the Pentagon, where is it (maybe in a secret cave in Area 51?)

The Pentagon, orginally built in 1941, had just been rebuilt with strengthened walls and windows. This was done to mitigate damage of a large truck bomb (remember the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing of the Federal Building). The inside of the Pentagon was reinforced with steel to further support the limestone exterior. When the plane hit the building, it completely disintegrated. A similar effect occurred on December 1, 1974 when TWA Flight 514 (a 727) crashed into Mount Weather in Bluemount, Virginia. All that was left were small unrecognizable pieces of metal.

The Pentagon's CCTV cameras were older narrow band systems that used a "freeze frame" technology. This is fine for capturing a slow moving vehicle, but a plane traveling at 275 mph (446 Km) is just too fast to record. The pentagon tapes do briefly show a flash of a plane.

Let's leave the conspiracy theories to the sci-fi sites.

FlightMate · Post by **FlightMate** » 17 May 2007, 10:52

Concerning the other flight, the one which crashed into Pennsylvania,
I was in America at that time, and a flight instructor I know (an airline pilot for AA) got a phone call from his brother (military flying that day) saying they shot down a plane in Pennsylvania (and this BEFORE any info got out on Television- at least one hour before)

It's far from conspiracy, but it's something which has been denied since 5 years.

vc-10 · Post by **vc-10** » 17 May 2007, 17:22

News agenecys are not always the quickest to react....

FlightMate · Post by **FlightMate** » 18 May 2007, 10:11

Yes I know, but for the past 5 year, the official statement is that the passengers on board fought with the terrorists and crashed the plane somewhere in the middle of nowhere...

Even a movie talk about it...

vc-10 · Post by **vc-10** » 18 May 2007, 13:10

There's 2. I've seen one, United 93, (The other is Flight 93) and it used the transcripts from people calling on mobiles and the Sat phones in the plane to their loved ones. It's possible that the USAF shot it down, before the pax suceeded, but perhaps the terrorists realised, and, as in the film, dived the plane into the ground.

AFApresident · Post by **AFApresident** » 18 May 2007, 23:36

It will probably take at least another 20 years before we know what really happened. Because than most people who were involved in key positions in the FBI, CIA, Bush government will have retired and will have nothing to lose anymore to tell the truth ... whatever that may be ...

... or maybe we'll never know ...

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