BRU Summer 2007: what to expect - new routes, frequencies

spotter1102 · Post by **spotter1102** » 13 Apr 2007, 22:55

airbuske wrote:So Jet Airways will start this summer and guess who will codeshare ?

Indeed Brussels Airlines!

Source: Travel magazine

I read some months ago that Jet Airways will fly to the US by a codeshare agreement with American Airlines.

Established02 · Post by **Established02** » 13 Apr 2007, 23:13

spotter1102 wrote:I read some months ago that Jet Airways will fly to the US by a codeshare agreement with American Airlines.

You may be referring to that other Indian carrier Air Sahara, codesharing with AA on ORD-DEL.

http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/press ... elhi.jhtml

Furthermore, AA may not necessarily be delighted in having Jet adding competing capacity on BRU-NYC.

Actually there now seems to be a link between both Indian carriers.
http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=8540
Jet Airways reportedly has reached a new agreement to acquire Air Sahara, reviving a merger that was called off last June.

Established02 · Post by **Established02** » 15 Apr 2007, 15:53

Atlantis wrote:Three new Chinese destinations are added for Brucargo: Macau, Nanjing and Xiamen.

And the winner is... SQC.

Schedules now available on http://212.35.104.67/cargo_tt/

There is no SQC press release, therefore I assume that these "new" destinations (for BRU then) are just created by some network engineering, such that these Chinese cities are now served as a tag-on to the existing SIN-BRU services.

FYI: The SQC press release (13/04/07) about JNB-NBO-BRU

http://www.siacargo.com/news130407.asp

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 15 Apr 2007, 15:59

The first thing I did when the old site of BIAC was again available was checking the cargo timetable. There I also saw that SQ was operating those three Chinese destinations. But then I was wondering why the daily timetable never show those flights.

Is SQ flying this already or not???

Established02 · Post by **Established02** » 15 Apr 2007, 16:22

Atlantis wrote:wondering why the daily timetable never show those flights.

I guess it may be just a matter of updating their database.

On the schedule below you can clearly see how the flights actually do originate in SIN and then are passing through XMN and NKG on the way to BRU. Not clear if and where there is a stop on NKG-BRU.

Cargo flights from SINGAPORE (SIN) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
SQ7892 -2----- 02:30 08:50 74F 2603-2210
SQ7894 ---4--- 04:30 11:10 74F 2903-2510
SQ7884 -----6- 07:15 15:25 74F 3103-2610
SQ7896 -----6- 13:15 19:25 74F 2403-2610

Cargo flights from XIAMEN AIRPORT (XMN) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
SQ7892 -2----- 08:30 08:50 74F 2603-2210
SQ7894 ---4--- 10:30 11:10 74F 2903-2510
SQ7884 -----6- 13:20 15:25 74F 3103-2610
SQ7896 -----6- 19:15 19:25 74F 2403-2610

Cargo flights from NANJING AIRPORT (NKG) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
SQ7892 -2----- 12:10 08:50 74F 2603-2210
SQ7894 ---4--- 14:10 11:10 74F 2903-2510
SQ7884 -----6- 17:00 15:25 74F 3103-2610
SQ7896 -----6- 22:55 19:25 74F 2403-2610

Only outbound traffic from China (to Europe) and no inbound flights. No wondering why China has such a huge trade surplus.

K_R · Post by **K_R** » 16 Apr 2007, 10:58

Why is Continental allready planning to replace the 777 by the 764 again as from november?

Is there too much capacity now?

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 16 Apr 2007, 11:16

Established02 wrote:
Atlantis wrote:wondering why the daily timetable never show those flights.
I guess it may be just a matter of updating their database.

On the schedule below you can clearly see how the flights actually do originate in SIN and then are passing through XMN and NKG on the way to BRU. Not clear if and where there is a stop on NKG-BRU.

Cargo flights from SINGAPORE (SIN) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
SQ7892 -2----- 02:30 08:50 74F 2603-2210
SQ7894 ---4--- 04:30 11:10 74F 2903-2510
SQ7884 -----6- 07:15 15:25 74F 3103-2610
SQ7896 -----6- 13:15 19:25 74F 2403-2610

Cargo flights from XIAMEN AIRPORT (XMN) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
SQ7892 -2----- 08:30 08:50 74F 2603-2210
SQ7894 ---4--- 10:30 11:10 74F 2903-2510
SQ7884 -----6- 13:20 15:25 74F 3103-2610
SQ7896 -----6- 19:15 19:25 74F 2403-2610

Cargo flights from NANJING AIRPORT (NKG) to Brussels (BRU)
Flightnumber Days Dep. Arr. Type Validity
SQ7892 -2----- 12:10 08:50 74F 2603-2210
SQ7894 ---4--- 14:10 11:10 74F 2903-2510
SQ7884 -----6- 17:00 15:25 74F 3103-2610
SQ7896 -----6- 22:55 19:25 74F 2403-2610

Only outbound traffic from China (to Europe) and no inbound flights. No wondering why China has such a huge trade surplus.

The flightnumbers for NKG, MFM and XMN are the same as the SQ flights from LAX, DFW and ORD. The routing will most probably be SIN-China-USA-BRU. And this also means that no extra flights are expected for those "new" destinations.

OO-VEX

Established02 · Post by **Established02** » 16 Apr 2007, 19:47

OO-VEX wrote:The flightnumbers for NKG, MFM and XMN are the same as the SQ flights from LAX, DFW and ORD. The routing will most probably be SIN-China-USA-BRU. And this also means that no extra flights are expected for those "new" destinations.

You're wright.

Wondering how useful it can be for a European importer to have an airlink (between China and Europe), that hauls the cargo eastbound over both the Pacific and the Atlantic. I guess there must exist more convenient and quicker westbound connections.

spotter1102 · Post by **spotter1102** » 23 Apr 2007, 17:43

K_R wrote:Why is Continental allready planning to replace the 777 by the 764 again as from november?

Is there too much capacity now?

Is it already confirmed ?

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 23 Apr 2007, 19:46

spotter1102 wrote:
K_R wrote:Why is Continental allready planning to replace the 777 by the 764 again as from november?

Is there too much capacity now?
Is it already confirmed ?

Both sites: amadeus and Continental gave a B764 as from November.

spotter1102 · Post by **spotter1102** » 23 Apr 2007, 22:50

Atlantis wrote:
spotter1102 wrote:
K_R wrote:Why is Continental allready planning to replace the 777 by the 764 again as from november?

Is there too much capacity now?
Is it already confirmed ?
Both sites: amadeus and Continental gave a B764 as from November.

Oh no !

MD-11forever · Post by **MD-11forever** » 24 Apr 2007, 09:42

Some airlines reduce capacity during the winter season. Continental may also do this, hence maybe the downgrade from 772 to 764. I hope we will see the 772 again for the 2008 summer season.

spotter1102 · Post by **spotter1102** » 25 Apr 2007, 14:35

If the BRU-DTW route is successful, can we expect a upgrate to the Airbus A330-300 ?

spotter1102 · Post by **spotter1102** » 27 Apr 2007, 14:23

I have just seen on brusselsairport.be a ad saying that Jet Airways could launch the Toronto flight daily immediately !!!

fostro · Post by **fostro** » 27 Apr 2007, 22:51

spotter1102 wrote:
bruworld wrote:someone knows anything about a link MIA-BRU? with aa or dl?
Sorry I never heard this but I have read in October 2006 that Boston-Logan is working for more intercontinental flights includind Brussels.

American Airlines or Delta Air Lines could operate the BOS-BRU route.

As I said some months ago, American has no plans to operate a BRU-MIA service in the near future. However, things may change if market demand is high enough to make a BRU-MIA flight feasonable - without changing the revenue on JFK and ORD flights too heavy...

Same remarks for BRU-BOS service.

Regards,

Fostro.

triple7 · Post by **triple7** » 27 Apr 2007, 23:02

Some sources say that Jet Airways will have cheap fares on the BRU - EWR/YYZ flights, but I thought only European and American carriers had traffic rights between BRU and the US/Canada? n(for example Ethihad cannot sell tickets pn the BRU-YYZ stretch... How come Jet Airways can??

Interested in any reply

Bounder · Post by **Bounder** » 28 Apr 2007, 14:07

Isn't that because the comming agreement between Jet and Biac, with the ceremony on the airport this week? I heard Jet wants to have a hub here at bru and I think that will make it possible for them...

Not sure though, I only conclude this, while thinking about what I heard lately...

OrientThai · Post by **OrientThai** » 28 Apr 2007, 18:11

After successive good news for BRU this year, here is a less pleasant news: starting June 12 Hainan Airlines will stop flying to PEK every Tuesday. After starting this route less than a year ago, HU will fly to BRU only three times weekly this summer.

http://www.brusselsairport.be/en/contac ... _b/beijing

Another proof that it's hard to create new long-haul routes from BRU but even harder to keep them profitable...

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 28 Apr 2007, 18:32

Strange because flights are doing well. Maybe an other reason??

EBBR_Based · Post by **EBBR_Based** » 28 Apr 2007, 19:23

Atlantis wrote:Strange because flights are doing well. Maybe an other reason??

What is your source to conclude that Hainan is doing well on BRU-PEK, assuming that you don't have access to Hainan's business performane stats?

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