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BruAir service during and after strike

Post by Jazzy »

Feel really bad after yesterday:

My flight SN 2177 to Man cancelled by the airline???
Standby on 2181 since no luggage(I needed it for the trip) denied boarding :cry: :shock:

No drink or meal vouchers, .....

Lost luggage informed me they couldnt make a lost luggage file since i never left :?: after insisting they made a courtesy file. I didnt receive a toilet kit nore a hotel room and had to get my wife and 6months old baby back to EBBR = 100km times for is 400km in one day...

This morning I called BRUAIR for refund. Have to fly whitin the month to the same destination so again lost money.

Yetserday costed me 200€ for the ticket. meals, fuel, phonecalls etc approx 100€ plus my colloqium fee in Manchester of 1000€ vanished..


Thanks strikers and thanks Bruair for making me feel flying ryanair.... There goes my preffered carrier.... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Jazzy wrote:Feel really bad after yesterday:

This morning I called BRUAIR for refund. Have to fly whitin the month to the same destination so again lost money.
Strange. According to the b.air spokesman, the passengers were given 2 options: a later flight or money back ... .

Found this one in my browser history:
Friday 13th of April 2007 11h15

Dear customer,
Unfortunately, outside its control, brussels airlines is victim of a wild-cat strike action launched by the fire brigade and security personnel at Brussels Airport.

Due to the limited availability of these services, the Belgian Civil Aviation Authority has decided to close the airport until further notice.

We hope that you will understand this is an unpleasant situation for which we cannot be held responsible.

As a consequence, your flight has been cancelled or delayed. Our colleagues will do their utmost to assist you in this difficult circumstances. In first instance, we will try to re-book you on the first available Brussels Airlines flight to your end destination depending on the evolution of the wild-cat strike.

Exceptionally, we are prepared in these circumstances to cancel your booking and to offer you a refund of your ticket via your original purchase point.

We thank you for your understanding and your patience.

Note: Due due exceptional circumstances the contact centre is currently exposed to a high load of incoming calls. This might result in long waiting times.

More info: Brussels Airport website http://www.brusselsairport.be/ .
In Dutch: Uitzonderlijk zijn wij bereid u een volledige terugbetaling van uw ticket aan te bieden na annulering van uw bestaande boeking.

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Post by OO-DWC »

Hello Jazzy,

I feel really sorry for your bad experience! But want to comment on a few points though:
My flight SN 2177 to Man cancelled by the airline???


Originally, this flight was planned to operate according to schedule (like all other flights) because the strike was only going to last until 9:00. As you probably experienced yourself, the strike lasted until 13:00, 15:00 and eventually until 16:30 when we could finally restart operations.

The big problem during the day was that we didn't know when the strike was going to end. I remember a Malaga passenger yesterday who was rebooked three times, as the new flight he was booked on got cancelled every time because the fire brigade extended the duration of the strike.
Standby on 2181 since no luggage(I needed it for the trip) denied boarding
Were you denied boarding because you lost your luggage? As far as I remember, the SN2181 (being the only MAN flight yesterday) was full so they gave you a standby boarding pass for in case there were no-shows (which was unfortunately not the case).
No drink or meal vouchers, .....
50cl bottles of water were distributed among all passengers. As we were victim as well of the strike, we couldn't offer anything more.
Lost luggage informed me they couldnt make a lost luggage file since i never left
Which is correct, your luggage was still in Brussels.
I didnt receive a toilet kit nore a hotel room
Hotel rooms were given to transit passengers. All local passengers for who we didn't have a solution on Friday evening got rebooked on a flight today.
This morning I called BRUAIR for refund. Have to fly whitin the month to the same destination so again lost money.
Your MAN ticket will either be refunded or you can change your flight to another date.
Yetserday costed me 200€ for the ticket. meals, fuel, phonecalls etc approx 100€ plus my colloqium fee in Manchester of 1000€ vanished..
Unfortunately it was a very expensive day for all parties involved... that includes both the passengers and the airlines.
Thanks strikers and thanks Bruair for making me feel flying ryanair.... There goes my preffered carrier....
Honestly, I really don't get why people are blaiming Brussels Airlines. Seen the circumstances, I think that we tried everything in our power to give all passengers a solution.

The biggest difficulty was that we didn't know until when the strike was going to last. Passengers blamed and attacked us for lack of information, but how could we know yesterday when flights were going to leave again!? Like many of my colleages in the office, I dropped my work yesterday to assist passengers at the airport. When we could restart operations at 16:30, we made a list of all remaining flights with available seats in the evening. Flight by flight, based on the departure time, we started picking passengers out of the queue, gave them a boarding pass and rushed them to security + the gate. Passengers were very grateful and appreciated how we handled the situation in the evening (as we managed to get all passengers in the air for which we had a solution). This managed to reduce the big queue and in the end, also the other passengers were assisted to get a seat on the next available flight.

I hope, dear Jazzy, that this puts the situation a little in perspective for you. I don't know how else we could have helped 15.000 stranded passengers. A lot of volunteers started to assist passengers early in the morning, and stayed until 21:00 when the last passengers with a solution for that evening had left (which was for the Birmingham flight). We were not paid for this job, nor will we be able to get time off for the 5-6 hours of overtime we all did today. We only did this job as we care about our passengers and wanted to get you in the air as soon as possible!

Regards,
OO-DWC

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Post by Jazzy »

OO-DWC,

To be honest, I have to tell that BRUAIR staff was doing their very best and i remember seeing half of the management running around to assist. One hostess was even crying after some drunk 'British Gentlemen' shouted at her. My true respect for you guys.

I am currently thinking of sueing BAC since the strike was not recognized. See what it brings sending them a letter

I guess Bruair almost lost a year of lease for a big aircraft and hope they will for example not pay airport taxes for one day.

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b.air will sent an empty plane to Athens to pick up some 150 passengers.

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Blackhawk,

Can you provide the link for tis refund statement?


Thanks

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Jazzy wrote:Blackhawk,

Can you provide the link for tis refund statement?


Thanks
http://www.brusselsairlines.be/nl_be/home/strike.aspx

and screenshot: http://coppermine.luchtzak.be/displayim ... at=0&pos=0

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Re: BruAir service during and after strike

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Jazzy wrote:Feel really bad after yesterday:

My flight SN 2177 to Man cancelled by the airline???
Standby on 2181 since no luggage(I needed it for the trip) denied boarding. No drink or meal vouchers, ..... Lost luggage informed me they couldnt make a lost luggage file since i never left :?: after insisting they made a courtesy file. I didnt receive a toilet kit nore a hotel room and had to get my wife and 6months old baby back to EBBR = 100km times for is 400km in one day... This morning I called BRUAIR for refund. Have to fly whitin the month to the same destination so again lost money. Yetserday costed me 200€ for the ticket. meals, fuel, phonecalls etc approx 100€ plus my colloqium fee in Manchester of 1000€ vanished.. Thanks strikers and thanks Bruair for making me feel flying ryanair.... There goes my preffered carrier.
Jazzy, no matter how many times Brussels Airport will repeat the strike was force majeure / overmacht / Hand of God: it was not. If the airport would have given the salary increase to the strikers during the negotiations on Thursday evening - instead of Friday afternoon 16h30 - there would not have been a strike. Only the users of the airport = Brussels Airlines - and the other carriers - are allowed to waive claims, using fm/o/HoG as argument.

You will have to put a claim with Brussels Airport, and I really hope that one of the Belgian consumer organisations will stand up for your rights. The President of the Board of Brussels Airport indeed has said "I won't pay for the damage, you will have to take me to court" (in Terzake, Flemish television, Friday 13th April, 20h).

I wonder what the daughter of the President of the Board, the honourable Belgian minister of Consumer Affairs, thinks about such anti-consumer statement (both father/President and daughter/Minister are member of the same socialist party, and it's thus not allowed for them to blaim the unions).

Belgian law obliges you to reduce costs as much as possible. You therefore have to ask the seminar organisator for a refund, explaining what happened.

Trust Brussels Airline's legal department can and will help you.

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blackhawk wrote:b.air will sent an empty plane to Athens to pick up some 150 passengers.
This small trip to Athens will cost b.air 90.000 euro:

Brussels Airlines haalt gestrande schoolgroepen in Athene op


BRUSSEL - Als gevolg van de staking van de brandweer en het veiligheidspersoneel vrijdag op Brussels Airport, zijn reizigers van Brussels Airlines gestrand in Athene, Malaga en Rome. Dat bevestigt de woordvoerder van Brussels Airlines.
Om schoolgroepen in de Griekse hoofdstad op te pikken, stuurt de luchtvaartmaatschappij zaterdagavond een leeg toestel naar Athene. "Een commerciële geste die een meerkost van 90.000 euro betekent voor onze maatschappij", aldus de woordvoerder.

http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail. ... 042007_037

and

Een aantal Belgen die nog altijd vastzitten in het buitenland door de staking gisteren op Zaventem, zijn niet te spreken over luchtvaartmaatschappij Brussels Airlines. Het gaat om een groep scholieren die gisteren had moeten terugkeren uit Griekenland.

http://www2.vrtnieuws.net/cm/vrtnieuws. ... _toeristen

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Post by dna »

Jazzy,

You may be interested to know that a lawyer who was caught up in the chaos is planning to undertake legal action against the trade unions for recognizing the wild cat strike. I read an article in Gazet van Antwerpen about it today. His name is Peter Cafmeyer of Advocava. He's calling for stranded passengers to contact him on this email address: gedupeerden.staking.zaventem@hotmail.com

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blackhawk wrote:
blackhawk wrote:b.air will sent an empty plane to Athens to pick up some 150 passengers.
This small trip to Athens will cost b.air 90.000 euro
Athens and back: 7 hrs flight, 13000€/an hour... will BruAir send a Concorde to ATH?
:wink:

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Post by sn-remember »

BruAir is indeed also paying a heavy tribute for this wild strike.
I am sure they did all that was possible to help the stranded pax.

I hope that the appropriate legal proceedings will come suite.

If a category of employees can obtain salary advantages by behaving the way they did, sure there is something wrong in the current work practices at the airport.

Rgds
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Post by regi »

A lot of frustration, and it is just for the money - just before the elections.

And than a laywer jumps on the case...
who's next?

I understand that the sender thinks about Ryanair. But in case there is fogg at Charleroi, forget about compensation!

The unions have a lot of cash in the vault of unused contributions. This has to be spent now.

Sad for the passengers.

We will have forgotten about it within some weeks, when we read the reports about strikes of Alitalia, Paris, Gourmet catering in UK, bushfire smoke around indonesian airports and blizzards in Denver.

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regi wrote:We will have forgotten about it within some weeks, when we read the reports about strikes of Alitalia, Paris, Gourmet catering in UK, bushfire smoke around indonesian airports and blizzards in Denver.
Yes, but if Italy has a lot of strikes, at least passengers and airlines are warned long enough in advance.
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Post by burner737 »

Many people from the MAN flight went on the VLMflight from ANR... if I remember well there was even an extra flight ...

Lately I try to avoid BRU, I try to get as many flights from Local airports like ANR. ( Short time prior check in, free parking, ... , and last but not least a great service! )

Regards Tim

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And than a laywer jumps on the case...
FYI, the lawyer was himself a stranded passenger. I think he is quite right to undertake legal action.

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fcw wrote:
blackhawk wrote:
blackhawk wrote:b.air will sent an empty plane to Athens to pick up some 150 passengers.
This small trip to Athens will cost b.air 90.000 euro
Athens and back: 7 hrs flight, 13000€/an hour... will BruAir send a Concorde to ATH? :wink:
No, both of SN's remaining Concordes were dispatched to other destinations that day. 8)

90.000 EUR seems like a hefty expense bill indeed!

a) or the SN spokesman had been given some wrong data about the financial impact of this operation.

b) or the SN spokesman did communicate the correct data. But apart from the direct operating costs for a BRU-ATH rotation there may have been (serious) additional costs involved with this operation, which probably may not have been communicated.

Remember it was an utmost chaotic day, causing huge stress for all parties involved.

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Post by brusselsairlinesfan »

I flight to Berlin SXF was also cancelled on friday 13... I was rebooked on the last flight to Berlin THF...

My comments :
brussels airlines ground staff at ticketing were OK, but those I met at the gates were... rude !!!
brussels airlines FAs : very friendly... just as usual !

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Post by bia321 »

What about all the other companys in Bru,Bru Air is not the only airline flying out of Bru that lost lots of money.Tcw had a" care team " of 12 persons present from 9 am till the next day 05am.They took care of all the needs from the "1800 pax "stranded in Bru.exmp:they served food from the ac in the first hours ,drinks, phone calls,meal vouchers ,drink vouchers,bus transport,hotels even for a few hours,more food, helping pax with luggage at belt 8, and not only tcw pax, baby care, etc........ so please stop talking about only "1" victim at Brussels Airport.

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Post by JAFflyer »

Totally agree bia. Just like at JAF, we ferried planes to LGG to get the pax with busses to LGG and then fly to their destination. Bruair is the biggest player in bru, but jaf the second and TC the third, and everybody suffered. Well, Bruair has the luxury of cancelling flights, JAF and TC can't do this due to package hollidays.

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