Very sad for Wiloo. I think he will move now to Brussels, so he can keep on complaining and use his seventies style noise meter from Realistic.
Wiloo and Durant : the Iron couple.
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Hallo, BRU is on the 5th place!!! not 7th.Bruspotter wrote: I think when people say BRU is the 7th largest airport , than it MUST be concerning cargo-flights.
Offcourse we will see a gap after DHL, but it depends who will fill that gap and which aircrafts and frequenties they will use.
And not forget, I believe there will be 5 or 6 airplanes of EAT at BRU after April 2008.
Cargo figures published by the airports itselfs: Cologne and Luxemburg:Acid-drop wrote:This is the top 10 for european cargo at the end of 2006 according to my sources (from 1st to 10th):
Frankfort, Amsterdam, Paris, London, Luxembourg, Cologne, Brussels, Liège, Milan, Madrid.
Do you have other sources that say something different ?
Cologne: 698.000 tons
Luxemburg: 752.326 tons
Brussels: 719.560 tons
This means: BRU 6th place
Target for Cologne this year 2007: 740.000 tons.
There is some work to do.
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OST, AIN DC8 ready to depart, no pushback driver available just before 22h, no DC8 flights allowed after 22h, flight cancelled...
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Mmm,
The full story on that AIN DC-8 might explain why it didn't/couldn't leave. Aircraft loaded at 2100z - take-off slot at 2110z, crew calls that they still need to prep and won't be able to start-up before 2130z. Delaying the FPL results in a reject message from IFPS as between the time the FPL was put in the system and the time it was delayed, a strike had started in Bratislava FIR.
As flight had to leave before 2200z, a way out had to be found, trying to figure out a different route - not that easy. By the time the acknowledged FPL and new route came in, it was 2145z - pushback crew on their way to the aircraft (with the new FPL). At that time, crew calls in that they want to call it a day, due to no push-back crew available. Checking with the tower, they could have taken either rwy26 or rwy08, 08 resulting in less taxi time... and maybe airborne by 2200z.
Just to show that in this case, it's a chain of events and not just "aircraft ready - no pushback driver available".
Brgds
OST, AIN DC8 ready to depart, no pushback driver available just before 22h, no DC8 flights allowed after 22h, flight cancelled...
"Unquote"
Mmm,
The full story on that AIN DC-8 might explain why it didn't/couldn't leave. Aircraft loaded at 2100z - take-off slot at 2110z, crew calls that they still need to prep and won't be able to start-up before 2130z. Delaying the FPL results in a reject message from IFPS as between the time the FPL was put in the system and the time it was delayed, a strike had started in Bratislava FIR.
As flight had to leave before 2200z, a way out had to be found, trying to figure out a different route - not that easy. By the time the acknowledged FPL and new route came in, it was 2145z - pushback crew on their way to the aircraft (with the new FPL). At that time, crew calls in that they want to call it a day, due to no push-back crew available. Checking with the tower, they could have taken either rwy26 or rwy08, 08 resulting in less taxi time... and maybe airborne by 2200z.
Just to show that in this case, it's a chain of events and not just "aircraft ready - no pushback driver available".
Brgds
Hi all,
AIN delay was indeed not caused by no pushback-driver. There was a strike at FIR at that time. Flycargo is completly right.
What did you wanted the guy to do with the forklift? Loopings? This was probably a guy from FRA, helping at OST. But ... people from FRA have no experience in cargo, hmm... (1st place I read here). Maybe try to be friendly and patient. You can get more out of people then.
And the black sheep is once again... First get deep into the story, make sure you reach the surface again, and then tell about it.
I hope next time you don't have problems anymore at OST or BRU or ... cause that would make the world perfect.
Dreaming of a perfect world,
Brgds
And meanwhile, SVA is still using OST...
AIN delay was indeed not caused by no pushback-driver. There was a strike at FIR at that time. Flycargo is completly right.
What did you wanted the guy to do with the forklift? Loopings? This was probably a guy from FRA, helping at OST. But ... people from FRA have no experience in cargo, hmm... (1st place I read here). Maybe try to be friendly and patient. You can get more out of people then.
And the black sheep is once again... First get deep into the story, make sure you reach the surface again, and then tell about it.
I hope next time you don't have problems anymore at OST or BRU or ... cause that would make the world perfect.
Dreaming of a perfect world,
Brgds
And meanwhile, SVA is still using OST...
I'll take back my words about thisone, no problem sorry...UFO wrote: AIN delay was indeed not caused by no pushback-driver. There was a strike at FIR at that time. Flycargo is completly right.
Nop I think he was from an eastern EU country, because when he was talking to his colleague it didn't understand a thing... And those guys aren't bad workers at all, but their supervisors can't explain what they have do do because of the language problem. Give those guys a basic english course at a local institute and give them proper training, and they will be a fine addition to the handling company...UFO wrote: What did you wanted the guy to do with the forklift? Loopings? This was probably a guy from FRA, helping at OST. But ... people from FRA have no experience in cargo, hmm... (1st place I read here). Maybe try to be friendly and patient. You can get more out of people then.
And may I quote the job was well done, it took some time to explain with hands but everything went OK... Ive been at around 20 different EU airports, you have to adapt anyway to the circumstances, everywhere, even at home...
that's aviation... 
Look UFO, for the third (and last) time, I don't said the people on the floor are the bad guys, neither their supervisors, but higher, if they will not invest in proper training such as language and others, also handling material, and you let them work for probably a low salary, it is just not gona work. All those people may have the best intentions of the world you've still gona encounter problems... In the OST case when their is a problem you can see it directly, because OST is small, the impact is much greater, BRU has also his problems but long not in that way OST has.UFO wrote: And the black sheep is once again...
About AIN I'm wrong OK, but their are big problems with the handling OPS at OST, and I know al lot more examples, but I don't gona tell them all, it's no use. I posted my reaction on this forum only to point out the problems at OST...UFO wrote: First get deep into the story, make sure you reach the surface again, and then tell about it.
Hey I'd shouldn't be aviation if you don't haven't them... and their are there to be solved..., whose applying...?UFO wrote: I hope next time you don't have problems anymore at OST or BRU or ... cause that would make the world perfect.
Grts
R
Hi 757,
Definetly FRA-people! Like everywhere workfloor is multicultural.
But I don't wan't to get in the wrong discussion here. It's indeed a managment problem, but by picking out some examples (from 1 handling company <ain mp>) you point you finger to this persons directly. But you didn't meant to do... so no harm feelings. Although, I think all OPS people do their very best for more than 15 years already. They know their jobs, but airliners aren't easy to, isn't it. But let us see what happens in the future, OK.
The main problem in OST is the infrastructure. Investments have to come. Hopely there will be a good pollicy for their LEM and LOM. And maybe for once some support of politics...
But meanwhile SVA is still at OST...
Brgds
Definetly FRA-people! Like everywhere workfloor is multicultural.
But I don't wan't to get in the wrong discussion here. It's indeed a managment problem, but by picking out some examples (from 1 handling company <ain mp>) you point you finger to this persons directly. But you didn't meant to do... so no harm feelings. Although, I think all OPS people do their very best for more than 15 years already. They know their jobs, but airliners aren't easy to, isn't it. But let us see what happens in the future, OK.
The main problem in OST is the infrastructure. Investments have to come. Hopely there will be a good pollicy for their LEM and LOM. And maybe for once some support of politics...
But meanwhile SVA is still at OST...
Brgds
Agree, and seeing SVA is staying a bit longer is not bad at all...UFO wrote:Hi 757,
Definetly FRA-people! Like everywhere workfloor is multicultural.
But I don't wan't to get in the wrong discussion here. It's indeed a managment problem, but by picking out some examples (from 1 handling company <ain mp>) you point you finger to this persons directly. But you didn't meant to do... so no harm feelings. Although, I think all OPS people do their very best for more than 15 years already. They know their jobs, but airliners aren't easy to, isn't it. But let us see what happens in the future, OK.
The main problem in OST is the infrastructure. Investments have to come. Hopely there will be a good pollicy for their LEM and LOM. And maybe for once some support of politics...
But meanwhile SVA is still at OST...
Brgds
Grts
R
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The Saudi story in OST ended this week. So no one month delay. They've left for BRU and will only use OST when it's not possible to land or depart at BRU due to the night curfew. Today, SVA904 will operate via Brussels (HZAIU).
And as if this news wasn't already sad enough for OST, a car accident this morning on a service road between apron 1 and 2 took the life of a 24 year old Aviapartner employee. My condolences to his family and colleagues.
And as if this news wasn't already sad enough for OST, a car accident this morning on a service road between apron 1 and 2 took the life of a 24 year old Aviapartner employee. My condolences to his family and colleagues.
Are there people who are curious about the world ranking place for BRU cargo? Well they are on place 30.
Every airport in Belgium has their own problems, big and small. The next coming two years, 2008 and 2009, will be crucial for BRU. There is at this moment no one who can predict what the situation will be after DHL. And how many pax carriers will leave BRU because there is no cargo for them to make their route profitable or almost profitable.
Second, major problem, is the juridical case. BRU needs some answers: what about nightflights, noise, etc.
Third: BRU has no major home carrier or alliance.
Brucargo can only survive with the current Asian cargo carriers and with new born cargo carriers who are no commited to alliances.
Every airport in Belgium has their own problems, big and small. The next coming two years, 2008 and 2009, will be crucial for BRU. There is at this moment no one who can predict what the situation will be after DHL. And how many pax carriers will leave BRU because there is no cargo for them to make their route profitable or almost profitable.
Second, major problem, is the juridical case. BRU needs some answers: what about nightflights, noise, etc.
Third: BRU has no major home carrier or alliance.
Brucargo can only survive with the current Asian cargo carriers and with new born cargo carriers who are no commited to alliances.