UPS has ordered 27 767 Freighters for its International and domestic service:
http://tinyurl.com/2a5yr3
UPS orders Boeing Freighters
Moderator: Latest news team
UPS orders Boeing Freighters
There are no strangers in the world, just friends we have yet to meet.
Great news for the 767 program. The production line may continue for quite awhile after all.
Let's make the following explicitly clear, so we don't get into a spat about the A380.
"The order for the 27 B-767s is not related to UPS’s on-going review of its order for 10 Airbus A380 freighters. The A380s are planned to be utilized on specific long-haul routes currently serviced by B-747 and MD-11 freighters."
Let's make the following explicitly clear, so we don't get into a spat about the A380.
"The order for the 27 B-767s is not related to UPS’s on-going review of its order for 10 Airbus A380 freighters. The A380s are planned to be utilized on specific long-haul routes currently serviced by B-747 and MD-11 freighters."
By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly an airplane?
-
smokejumper
- Posts: 1033
- Joined: 21 Oct 2005, 00:00
- Location: Northern Virginia USA
Several years ago, Aviation Partners website contained a press release that Icelandic Airlines purchased winglets for their 757's and would consider adding them their (then) newly acquired 767-300's, once available. I have not heard anything about the certification of the winglets for the 767 since then. Does anyone know anthing about this?
I would think that UPS and others buying new 767's would be interested in any fuel savings or range enhancements.
I would think that UPS and others buying new 767's would be interested in any fuel savings or range enhancements.
interesting
considering UPS cancelled something like 30 A300 that were given to them by Airbus at low price, now they order 767. This indicates to me UPS slipped out of the Airbus A300 by ordering and then lkikely cancelling the A380?
Re: interesting
UPS already made an adjustment, they ordered 747-400Fs (* I think) last summer (fall?) The 767s are fillers for lighter routes or slightly increased capacity that does not justify another MD11 or older 747.fleabyte wrote:considering UPS cancelled something like 30 A300 that were given to them by Airbus at low price, now they order 767. This indicates to me UPS slipped out of the Airbus A300 by ordering and then lkikely cancelling the A380?
In both UPS case and FedEx, they must have known this was coming. You don't conclude aircraft negotiations (777) as fast as they appear to have. The ground prep was there, they just pulled the trigger (FedEx has been looking at the 777 for some time, so they had time to figure it out, negotiate it all when they saw the A380 delays coming).
FedEx had to have gotten compensation of some kind from Airbus on the other aircraft (A300/310F), or they could have strung them out for cash as well.
UPS move with the 747s smacks of the same thing, though they said "we can use both types". In this case, no Airbus freighters, so the compensation will have to be pure cash (assuming they cancel, interesting game of chicken in which UPS has the upper hand).
Re: interesting
Correct me if I'm wrong, but FedEx did not recieve any compensation, they just cancelled the order without penalty. UPS will only recieve compensation when they decide they still want the plane. If they cancel, they just get their deposit back...RC20 wrote: FedEx had to have gotten compensation of some kind from Airbus on the other aircraft (A300/310F), or they could have strung them out for cash as well.
UPS move with the 747s smacks of the same thing, though they said "we can use both types". In this case, no Airbus freighters, so the compensation will have to be pure cash (assuming they cancel, interesting game of chicken in which UPS has the upper hand).
News out that 6 of the backlog 767s are DHL freighter orders.
Phew, the 767 is just not going away.
Badly underrated aircraft in my opinion. Its sold (1,000 and counting) far more than the A330, and looks to live on for a long time.
Boeing has 5 years production lined up now, and that’s without the tanker orders!
Phew, the 767 is just not going away.
Badly underrated aircraft in my opinion. Its sold (1,000 and counting) far more than the A330, and looks to live on for a long time.
Boeing has 5 years production lined up now, and that’s without the tanker orders!
Re: interesting
None announced, but FedEx is a large user of A300/310 fregihters, and I suspect there was under the table compensation.Buzz wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but FedEx did not recieve any compensation, they just cancelled the order without penalty. UPS will only recieve compensation when they decide they still want the plane. If they cancel, they just get their deposit back...
Phew, the 767 is just not going away.
If Boeing is successful in its bid for U.S. Air force refuelling tankers, then the 767 will be around for a long long time, the specs have not been released to the public but I would suspect its been re-engined with GENex power and some major refinements in wing construction!!!
There are no strangers in the world, just friends we have yet to meet.
I think they will offer a very updated aircraft, but engines and wings would be a huge change and delay to get it implemented.
I would not rule it out on subsequent orders (or even latter deliveries), but USAF needs them as soon as they can get them.
Boeing has its snootfull right now on 787,777 and 747. As the 767 tankers comes out of the same line as existing, that means design is not military but civilian side (before they get turned over to the military side for the conversions work).
I could see them coming out with one version now, and doing an update on wings and engines, testing it and phasing in a transition latter. But each change like that requires a complete re-test of the boom and drogues as the air stream changes, and they have had some surprises on the drogues already (the boom may be fine, but still hast go through the whole test program).
I think there are 600 tankers that need to be replaced, so it could be done, and what an interesting switch, in that it would also open up the civiliain side to more sales as well. Not as good a a 787, but maybe appeal in some markets.
I would not rule it out on subsequent orders (or even latter deliveries), but USAF needs them as soon as they can get them.
Boeing has its snootfull right now on 787,777 and 747. As the 767 tankers comes out of the same line as existing, that means design is not military but civilian side (before they get turned over to the military side for the conversions work).
I could see them coming out with one version now, and doing an update on wings and engines, testing it and phasing in a transition latter. But each change like that requires a complete re-test of the boom and drogues as the air stream changes, and they have had some surprises on the drogues already (the boom may be fine, but still hast go through the whole test program).
I think there are 600 tankers that need to be replaced, so it could be done, and what an interesting switch, in that it would also open up the civiliain side to more sales as well. Not as good a a 787, but maybe appeal in some markets.
Re: interesting
You suspect? They don't have any outstanding orders for airbus a/c and the haven't made any new ones... How could they have been compensated?RC20 wrote:None announced, but FedEx is a large user of A300/310 fregihters, and I suspect there was under the table compensation.Buzz wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but FedEx did not recieve any compensation, they just cancelled the order without penalty. UPS will only recieve compensation when they decide they still want the plane. If they cancel, they just get their deposit back...
Cancelling without penalty and with full money back is a nice enough compensation as it is...
UPS looking at other options replacing the A380F order:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... tions.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... tions.html
Converting existing 747-400s into freighters is an excellent idea. I think UPS eventually will re-order the 380F because there is a definite need for such a freighter. And converted 747s would be a cost-effective interim solution.
One advantage of converted freighters is that you are not limited by production slots. There are quite a few FAA approved modification companies that perform conversions, so long as they work to the approved conversion kits (the article mentions IAI in addition to Boeing as having such kits).
One advantage of converted freighters is that you are not limited by production slots. There are quite a few FAA approved modification companies that perform conversions, so long as they work to the approved conversion kits (the article mentions IAI in addition to Boeing as having such kits).
By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly an airplane?
-
smokejumper
- Posts: 1033
- Joined: 21 Oct 2005, 00:00
- Location: Northern Virginia USA
Boeing has picked the Pratt & Whitney PW- 4062 engine for the USAF tanker solicitation.
See:
http://www.courant.com/business/hc-prat ... s-business
See:
http://www.courant.com/business/hc-prat ... s-business