new long haul fleet for Brussels Airlines?

Jazzy · Post by **Jazzy** » 27 Dec 2006, 22:09

Today an insider informed me a wet lease contract is ready to sign (or has been signed)concerning 2 A330-300. Owner would be a "Birdy Airlines" alike structure for the first two years.

Aim would be to expand the african network and to start flights on the Boston and Montreal routes, who would become important feeders to the European network and vice versa. What a x-mas present.

Anyone else heard anything?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 27 Dec 2006, 22:38

What would be the benefit of having a birdy airlines structure for the operations of the machines ?
I know SN is often not keen to take some risks but I don't see the benefits to make a structure à la birdy again ... Any comments are welcome

As for the 2 A330's, if it's true I wonder from where they would come since they are extremely rare ....

Chris

JM · Post by JM » 27 Dec 2006, 23:03

Avro wrote:What would be the benefit of having a birdy airlines structure for the operations of the machines ?
I know SN is often not keen to take some risks but I don't see the benefits to make a structure à la birdy again ... Any comments are welcome

As for the 2 A330's, if it's true I wonder from where they would come since they are extremely rare ....

Chris

Air madrid ?

teach · Post by **teach** » 27 Dec 2006, 23:12

Would be great if true, but we've heard stories like this before, and they never came to be.

I'll believe it when I see the planes parked and painted at BRU.

Post by **airbuske** » 27 Dec 2006, 23:15

With a Birdy structure they don't have to take the financial risks for the planes and after some years SNBA can take over the fleet.

When Birdy was operating for Sn Brussels airlines , Birdy delivered the cockpit crew, whilst SN commercialised the flights, defined the inflight product and delivered the cabin crew.

Iberia is doing the same with some flights.
Some flights are operated by Audeli.
It operates passenger aircraft on ACMI basis for Iberia Airlines.

Stij · Post by **Stij** » 28 Dec 2006, 10:52

I'm wondering: why did SN take over Birdy, was this the idea from the beginning or had it something to do with Mr. Victor Hasson (one of the owners together with Mr. Georges Gutelmann) who became seriously ill?

Cheers,

Stij

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 28 Dec 2006, 11:10

JM wrote:
Avro wrote:What would be the benefit of having a birdy airlines structure for the operations of the machines ?
I know SN is often not keen to take some risks but I don't see the benefits to make a structure à la birdy again ... Any comments are welcome

As for the 2 A330's, if it's true I wonder from where they would come since they are extremely rare ....

Chris

Air madrid ?

LTU is looking at this moment to take over some aircrafts of Air Madrid: A330, A340. Nothing official yet.

Post by **airbuske** » 28 Dec 2006, 11:20

Air Madrid ?

I hope not!
Those planes had a lot of technical problems.

flyexel · Post by **flyexel** » 28 Dec 2006, 11:53

The A330 comes from Austrian Airlines and it is a -200 iso -300.

They will add Montreal as from june,3 frequences a week.

brieky · Post by **brieky** » 28 Dec 2006, 11:57

yeah

a -200 will fit nice the fleet of Brussels Airlines ... I hope the remours come true!!

greetz brieky

Koenie666 · Post by **Koenie666** » 28 Dec 2006, 12:14

airbuske wrote:Air Madrid ?

I hope not!
Those planes had a lot of technical problems.

Those planes aren't as bad maintained as you think. Only the interior needs an update.

JM · Post by JM » 28 Dec 2006, 13:12

airbuske wrote:Air Madrid ?

I hope not!
Those planes had a lot of technical problems.

The difference with the actual SNBA fleet being...

No, it's not that bad, but still, look at the history of SFM and SFO... they've cost SN a lot of money on delays and parts!

brieky · Post by **brieky** » 28 Dec 2006, 13:14

The A330 fleet of Air Madrid was:

3 A330-200

EC-IYB
EC-IYN
SE-RBG => leased from Novair

2 A330-300

EC-JMF
EC-JIS

but i think some of them will go to LTU, like rumours said! not sure of course!!

greetz brieky 8)

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 28 Dec 2006, 13:31

There are 3 A332's available from Austrian:

A330-223 sn:181 PW4168A Sale/Lease Austrian Airlines
A330-223 sn:195 PW4168A Sale/Lease Austrian Airlines
A330-223 sn:223 PW4168A Sale/Lease Austrian Airlines

Source: http://www.speednews.com/

The aircrafts are 8-9 years old.

Greetz,

Dave

OrientThai · Post by **OrientThai** » 28 Dec 2006, 13:50

flyexel wrote:The A330 comes from Austrian Airlines and it is a -200 iso -300.

They will add Montreal as from june,3 frequences a week.

I've heard that there were more than 30 customers interested in those A330s. The A330s avaiable are becoming scarcer everyday.
If SN had succeeded in acquiring those frames congratulation to them

Does that mean that they have changed their mind to take some risks by leasing expensive A330s?

Duke · Post by **Duke** » 28 Dec 2006, 16:40

@ Jazzy
@ flyexel

What are your sources?
Are they reliable?

DIDA · Post by **DIDA** » 28 Dec 2006, 17:05

For what i Know,those aircrafts wont be for Brussels airlines.Sorry folks.

OrientThai · Post by **OrientThai** » 28 Dec 2006, 17:18

DIDA wrote:For what i Know,those aircrafts wont be for Brussels airlines.Sorry folks.

Welcome to this forum!
Can you tell us more about this?

DIDA · Post by **DIDA** » 28 Dec 2006, 17:58

Thanks.

I heard the planes are for TAP not for Brussels airlines

...too bad.

fcw · Post by **fcw** » 29 Dec 2006, 01:01

Air Madrid had a whole bunch of ex-Sabena guys flying for them, some of them already got a call regarding a possible new company in belgium...

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