FEDEX cancels 10 x A380F order

A350XWB · Post by **A350XWB** » 07 Nov 2006, 18:08

FedEx Express to Acquire Boeing 777 Freighters
Company Cancels A380 Order

FedEx Express notified Airbus that it has cancelled its order for 10 A380-800Fs.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061107/20061107005865.html?.v=1

here

TexasGuy · Post by **TexasGuy** » 07 Nov 2006, 18:17

I did not see this one coming!!!!!!!!! Not good news for A380F.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 07 Nov 2006, 18:20

This is some very bad news indeed for the A380 program in general and for Airbus of course. Fedex was the launch customer of the A380F as far as I remember. Did other airlines order the A380F's ?

If the cancellations pile up in the next few weeks it would be a very bad sign indeed.. let's hope the other airlines will keep their confidence in the program..

Chris

TexasGuy · Post by **TexasGuy** » 07 Nov 2006, 18:23

Im suprised FEDEX chose the 777F instead of the 747-8F.

I think Emirates also has A380F on order.

CXRules · Post by **CXRules** » 07 Nov 2006, 18:48

Not any more. Emirates has cancelled the A380F order and converted them into passenger A380.

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 07 Nov 2006, 19:03

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TexasGuy · Post by **TexasGuy** » 07 Nov 2006, 19:05

CXRules wrote:Not any more. Emirates has cancelled the A380F order and converted them into passenger A380.

you are correct! I remember that now. Are there any other orders for A380F?

cageyjames · Post by **cageyjames** » 07 Nov 2006, 19:41

TexasGuy wrote:Im suprised FEDEX chose the 777F instead of the 747-8F.

Since Boeing aims the B777F at the MD-11F I think it is a pretty lateral move for them. Probably better sense considering how they use their MD-10F/11Fs.

Guess MEM is a little unhappy considering they spent all that money getting the airport ready for the A380. At least if it ever does happen they'll be able to take the A380.

cageyjames · Post by **cageyjames** » 07 Nov 2006, 19:41

bits44 wrote:
A350XWB

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Agreed, this thread is unreadable.

smacDC-10 · Post by **smacDC-10** » 07 Nov 2006, 20:00

I think UPS ordered the a380f. I could be wrong.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 07 Nov 2006, 20:08

ILFC ordered 5 freighters
UPS ordered 10 freighters.

David747 · Post by **David747** » 07 Nov 2006, 20:11

UPS did order 10 A380F. What can be said about this news, but its a blow to Airbus's A380F program. FedEx cited the delays for cancelling the other. As far as Boeing is concerned, the B777F got more winds under its sails, since Boeing has recorded good orders for the B777F. Now the question remains, what will ILCF and UPS do about their A380F orders? And what this will mean to the B747-8F, since it is selling very well for Boeing. Interesting times indeed.

cageyjames · Post by **cageyjames** » 07 Nov 2006, 20:13

UPS has 10 on order and 10 options. EIS I believe is 2010, but I'm not sure that takes into consideration the current delays. ILFC also has 5 orders. I figured UPS would cancel their A380F order before FedEX, but I guess I was wrong.

I think it is interesting that FedEx is getting their B777F before they would have gotten their A380Fs. I'm sure that had a huge influence on their decision.

js51672 · Post by **js51672** » 07 Nov 2006, 20:20

VERY STRaNGE THE CANCELLATION>
So far I know the problems are mainly due the wires for the PAX version of the A380.

From others I heard that the main landing gear has also some efficience problems
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5781430.
This because the weight for the cargo ramps. The full weight is located on a too small part. IS that correct?
Airports has to improve the ramps also to carry all kilo's. But they don't like to invest.

Who can (dis-) Confirm this?

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 07 Nov 2006, 20:29

It's bad news for Airbus, but certainly not unexpected! Customers of the A380 must carry on with business, plans have been made for years in advance, promises have been made to their customers, they must make alternate plans to fulfill those promises.

This is business, not a contest between aircraft manufacturers, life most go on, they are certainly not going to let Airbus' problems drag them down.

I'm afraid this may be just the beginning of many cancellations, all the the other A380 customers will want to secure delivery slots for replacement aircraft if they cancel, and there probably will be more.

smokejumper · Post by **smokejumper** » 07 Nov 2006, 21:24

I won't guess whether anyone else might cancel, but I assume that FedX's decision was motivated by the delivery slippage combined with a good dose of realism as to why they ordered the plane in the first place. Rapid (overnight) package and letter delivery requires a point-to-point system to minimize delivery time; the large cargo capacity of the A380 is better geared to hub-to-hub operation.

How many packages want to go from Orlando (Florida) to Nice (France), or Seattle (Washington) to Madrid (Spain)? Such trips would require spoke-hub-hub-spoke operations, since you can not fill an A380 for these trips. There are only so many city pairs that can use the capacity of the super-large A380, IMO.

cageyjames · Post by **cageyjames** » 07 Nov 2006, 21:38

From the FedEx PR:

http://tinyurl.com/y5h7lt

“The Boeing 777F will allow FedEx Express to fly directly between major markets and hubs in Asia, Europe and the U.S. with more freight and in less time than it takes today, improving fuel efficiency and lowering total operating costs,” said David J. Bronczek, president and chief executive officer, FedEx Express.

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 07 Nov 2006, 21:49

bits44 wrote:
A350XWB
Try shortening your URL at Tinyurl.com

Mate there is a far better way of setting up a link:[url =http://url]url text[/url] (No space between url and = !!!)
IE: yahoo news

A lot more tidier!

Anyways back to the topic well had to be expected! Customers in desperate need of new aircraft quickly are the ones who are most prone to cancel their orders. That's why the A330 family is still selling quit well for example... And that is why they didn't order 747-800...

Major blow for Airbus and the A380 yeah! Still though this bad news is counterbalanced by the recent supplementary orders from Singapore Airlines and Qantas!

Vincent fighting arrogance...

cageyjames · Post by **cageyjames** » 07 Nov 2006, 21:51

Vinnie-Winnie wrote: Mate there is a far better way of setting up a link:[url =http://url]url text[/url] (No space between url and = !!!) IEyahoo news

A lot more tidier!

That doesn't always work, for example the PR from my above post. I tried to do it your way, but it didn't work. Some of the complex URLs are such a pain.

CX · Post by CX » 08 Nov 2006, 00:57

Always thought it was the UPS order that was more exposed to cancellation threats, but even Fedex cancels, and I won't be surprised if UPS cancels... I think this gives Airbus a good reason to dump the A380F for a while because there is no point to build 5 A380Fs, and just concentrate on the pax version.