Lufthansa wants to buy 100 new aircrafts

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 03 Sep 2006, 14:27

According to Asia News Yahoo, Lufthansa is considering to buy 100 new aircrafts.

The first decision will be made on 20th September. Lufthansa is in talk with four constructors: Airbus, Boeing, Embraer and Bombardier.

LH wants to replace 30 of its B747's, 29 of its A340, 62 of its B737 and several of its A320.

They want to buy 60 Embraer's for the domestic market.

For long haul routes they have interest in the new A380 and B747-8.
For mid-haul routes they have interest in the A350, B787 or B777.

regi · Post by **regi** » 03 Sep 2006, 16:15

this will be the moment of truth for the A380 project. Will Boeing be right that the hub strategy is the past and that the point to point strategy is the future?
If Lufthansa buys A380's in the same numbers as Emirates, BA will have to follow , and AF+KLM.
In that case, we might see a decrease of ticket prices for long haul destinations. Fingers crossed.

Stepha380 · Post by **Stepha380** » 03 Sep 2006, 21:41

regi wrote:this will be the moment of truth for the A380 project. Will Boeing be right that the hub strategy is the past and that the point to point strategy is the future?
If Lufthansa buys A380's in the same numbers as Emirates, BA will have to follow , and AF+KLM.
In that case, we might see a decrease of ticket prices for long haul destinations. Fingers crossed.

AF has already 10 orders + 10 options and KLM doesn't operate from a congested hub like CDG.

David747 · Post by **David747** » 04 Sep 2006, 03:36

This will be an interesting decision by Lufthansa, first, Will they purchase more A380's, even with the risk of further delays, and will they also purchase the 748. In my opinion, I don't see LH ordering the 747-8 to replace their 744's, and will order more A380's instead. What will be interested to see is what plane they opt for to be used in their medium routes. My opinion is this, LH will probably purchase the 787, even though it will get production slots at the end of the line, but would be worth ordering the 787 since the A350 will not be available until 2012(if i'm right). Either way, it will be interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks, I read somewhere that the announcement will come on Sept. 23

David747 · Post by **David747** » 04 Sep 2006, 03:42

To add another thing, Forbes is reporting that the Lufthansa Order will include 30 747, 29 A340's and 62 B737, and will include A320's. :laugh:

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/af ... 90502.html

I swear, Forbes has the worst aviation reporting in the world, or maybe I misunderstood the paragraph, but I thought Lufthansa wanted to REPLACE, not add, 30 Boeing 747's, 29 A346's and 62 Boeing 737's.

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 04 Sep 2006, 04:35

With this money?
KarstadtQuelle AG was close to acquire Deutsche Lufthansa AG's 50% stake in Thomas Cook, Der Spiegel (p49) writes in a report published this week.
KarstadtQuelle AG was ready to pay some 800.000.000* Euros for Lufthansa's stake.

CX · Post by CX » 04 Sep 2006, 05:23

Replacing 30 747s, is there a possibility to include both the A388 and the 748? Probably not a smart thing to do? But i'm sure the A350 can live together with the 787 and 777, and A346.

David747 · Post by **David747** » 04 Sep 2006, 13:10

It seems Forbes is not the only one reporting that Lufthansa will order 30 747's, but some German magazine as well, and that the order will go as followed if the reports are true. 30 747-8's, 29 A340's and Several B737's.

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?Cont ... 985eaa9d59

If this is right, 30 747-8 to replace LH's 744 fleet? It seems that they will have both A380's and 747-8's. but then again, its unconfirmed report and probably dead wrong.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 04 Sep 2006, 17:01

Luchtvaartnieuws.nl has also confirmed my topic and they have also today announced that LH will buy very soon 30 A320's and 5 A330.

Around 15 of those new A320 will replace the old A320's and the other 15 is needed for extra capacity.

LH can buy 5 A330's for a reasonable price and will be used till the A380 will join the fleet. They bought those A330 because the delivery of the A380 was posponed.

A390 · Post by **A390** » 04 Sep 2006, 18:28

Atlantis wrote:Luchtvaartnieuws.nl has also confirmed my topic and they have also today announced that LH will buy very soon 30 A320's and 5 A330.

Around 15 of those new A320 will replace the old A320's and the other 15 is needed for extra capacity.

LH can buy 5 A330's for a reasonable price and will be used till the A380 will join the fleet. They bought those A330 because the delivery of the A380 was posponed.

So they will have to send 3 A330 on a rotation of a A380?

CX · Post by CX » 05 Sep 2006, 10:29

David747 wrote:It seems Forbes is not the only one reporting that Lufthansa will order 30 747's, but some German magazine as well, and that the order will go as followed if the reports are true. 30 747-8's, 29 A340's and Several B737's.

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?Cont ... 985eaa9d59

If this is right, 30 747-8 to replace LH's 744 fleet? It seems that they will have both A380's and 747-8's. but then again, its unconfirmed report and probably dead wrong.

No, i think it is REPLACING rather than buying...
They have exactly 30 747s and exactly 29 A343s, i cannot imagine they order planes in one lot to exactly replace plane for plane, like 748s to replace 744s and A346s to replace A343s? Nah, i dont' think so...
With their almost all Airbus fleet, it looks more like they'll get A380s rather than 748s, and most likely A350s as well as there is no delivery time advantage with the 787 anymore, and 773ER is too big.

David747 · Post by **David747** » 05 Sep 2006, 10:35

CX, wouldn't surprise me if they went with the A380 and A350.

DFW · Post by **DFW** » 05 Sep 2006, 17:15

I can see them getting both B747-8 and A380. With as many flights as Lufthansa has, some flights are better served carrying 480 passengers and some carrying 550 passengers. And more airports can handle the B747-8. They already maintain a mixed fleet, so commonality is less of an issue for them as for LCC's and smaller carriers.

David747 · Post by **David747** » 05 Sep 2006, 17:19

But why get a 747 to carry 480 passangers when they can order a modified A380 to carry 480 passangers at cheaper operating cost?

cageyjames · Post by **cageyjames** » 05 Sep 2006, 19:13

David747 wrote:But why get a 747 to carry 480 passangers when they can order a modified A380 to carry 480 passangers at cheaper operating cost?

Can a A380 be cheaper with only 480 PAX than a 747-8 with 480 PAX?

DFW · Post by **DFW** » 05 Sep 2006, 20:04

Plus, there are fewer airports that can handle a A380 versus a B747. There's enough business for everyone.

CX · Post by CX » 06 Sep 2006, 09:10

No i mean most major airports will support the A380, and if they order like 30, they won't be fully delivered for another 6-7 years right? By that time most 747 supported airports would support A380s..
But yes, it won't be surprising if they went with both... but if they have commanality they save maintenance cost..

David747 · Post by **David747** » 06 Sep 2006, 12:12

Can a A380 be cheaper with only 480 PAX than a 747-8 with 480 PAX?

If could provide cheaper operations than the 747-8, if everything Airbus said about the bird is true.

No i mean most major airports will support the A380, and if they order like 30, they won't be fully delivered for another 6-7 years right? By that time most 747 supported airports would support A380s..

That's a good point I did not think of, and its correct, If LH does order A380's to replace the 744's, they will get them at a time when most airports in their high density routes will support the A380.

sn-remember · Post by **sn-remember** » 06 Sep 2006, 12:26

I am among those who believe they will opt for the A380.
Considering that the top quality actors in air market (SQ, EK, AF, VG) already opted for the big bird, it's hardly believable LH will stay away.

Good winds to the A380

David747 · Post by **David747** » 06 Sep 2006, 12:28

I am among those who believe they will opt for the A380.
Considering that the top quality actors in air market (SQ, EK, AF, VG) already opted for the big bird, it's hardly believable LH will stay away

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I agree with that sentiment, the fact that "blue chip" airlines have ordered the A380, LH will want to opt for more A380's in its fleet.